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According to a team source, the Red Sox have had internal discussions about extending their organizational budget to potentially allow for another offer for free agent outfielder Jason Bay. The discussed proposal to Bay would be in the vicinity of the four-year, $60 million deal originally offered the outfielder by the Red Sox.
It was thought that the signing of pitcher John Lackey to a five-year, $82.5 million deal, along with the acquisition of outfielder Mike Cameron, would make make such a strategy by the Sox unlikely, with the Sox too close to the $170 million luxury tax threshold to make a run at a free agent the likes of Bay. The New York Mets are thought to be the team currently most interested in the services of Bay, who is seeking a five-year deal.
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December 23rd, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Are the Red Sox just trying to increase the price for the Mets, Mariners, Angels, Giants, and maybe even the NY Yankees?
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:56 pm
The Sox would only try to boost the cost if the Yankees are involved. Sine the Yankees have no budget, it doesn’t matter.
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Dear Santa, All I want for Christmas is four more years of the Baystate.
Your friend
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:09 pm
No chance….can’t have 4 starting outfielders and 3 positions. If they sign Bay, Ells is being traded.
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Assuming they are able to financially make this deal, and all reports suggest they are, this is a no brainer. Offer Bay the original 4/60 and tell them they have 12 hours to accept or decline it. It let’s Bay save face and upgrades the Red Sox offense with a player we know can play here. Just my 2 cents.
It also let’s Tito sit Drew, Ellsbury and Ortiz against tough lefties and when Drew takes his mandatory 30-40 games off next year, no worries.
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Ells is not being traded. To many years left of club control. Cameron will be 4th outfielder getting a huge amount of playing time in center and in right. Hermida might be gone tho.
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:23 pm
wes, if Ellsbury is the cornerstone in a deal to land Adrian Gonzalez, wouldn’t you do that? It might not happen of course, but are you saying Ellsbury is untouchable?
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 pm
well howabout give him a 5 year deal, extend the pay alil so the last 3 years have alil more weight on them. and def no to trading ellsbury, his speed is great on the basepath and in the outfield. Ells isn’t too bad at in all with hitting. keep him, cuz when drew leaves who we gonna have bay and then who, especially if the budget is soo tight now, even if lowell, beckett, and ortiz’s contracts are done, you still will need to fill those spots, then the infielders will be getting more money on the mid to later parts of their contracts. unless the sox finally realize we need to break the luxury tax threshold to be a contender with the yanks we are gonna continue to lose young talent and be in second place.
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:35 pm
bays good but the team we got now is better without him our new outfeilder can hit 90 RBI’S and save a lot more with the glove it all evans out at the end of the year
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Red Sox sign Bay, then trade Ells Bucholz Tazawa Westmoreland and one minor prospect to Padres for A-Gon. How could we not see this coming? the Red Sox knew all along that there offense was going to bring them down despite there great pitching. Imagine the lineup and the pitching staff if both these moves happen:
Lineup:
1. Marco Scutaro
2. Dustin Pedroia
3. Victor Martinez
4. Adrian Gonzalez
5. Jason Bay
6. Kevin Youkilis
7. David Ortiz
8. Mike Cameron
9. J.D. Drew
Starting Rotation:
1. Jon Lester
2. Josh Beckett
3. John Lackey
4. Dice-K Mastuzaka
5. Tim Wakefield (maybe we add a bargain pitcher as well to cover injuries)
Yeah, I like our chances against the yanks next year, don’t you think?
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:40 pm
They should keep the line up as is unil July and then trade for Gonzalez, if SD waits until next year to trade they won’t get the same value and not many if any can offer more then the Sox. The pitching is good enough to win and be 10 or more games over 500 by trade dead line.
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:51 pm
If they package Jacoby Ellsbury and Clay Buchholz in the trade for Gonzalez they will keep and develop Westmoreland and Kellly as their replacements. I think Lars Anderson will be part of the deal as a possible replacement for Gonzalez even though San Diego has a 1B in the minors they are high on. I think you see the addition of a major league ready pitcher like Michael Bowden and another relatively high ranked minor league player and the deal gets done. I mean you get a young, cheap and very exciting center fielder and a young, cheap and very exciting starting pitcher another a young, cheap major league pitcher in Bowden and then two highly ranked prospects (1B) and some money (1 million)! If they sign Bay it will be because this type of a deal is in place and you can believe it. How does this deal not make sense for San Diego?
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:56 pm
“…then trade Ells Bucholz Tazawa Westmoreland and one minor prospect to Padres for A-Gon.”
I want A-Gon, but not for Ells, Buch, West, and even Tazawa. That’s wayyyy too much. Ells and Buch most likely, with some other low A prospect or two.
December 23rd, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Lastly if the above happens and Clay goes the Sox will go out and grab Ben Sheets and sign him to an incentive laden 1 year deal with a 6 to 8 million base with a team option for the second year but nowhere near the 12 million he is rumored to be asking for.
December 23rd, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Bay to DH, Adios, Papi?
December 23rd, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Don’t do it Theo, let the overated bum walk.
December 23rd, 2009 at 10:38 pm
@ Andy: San Diego wouldn’t want Ellsbury. He’s good, don’t get me wrong, but he’s getting close to his arbitration eligibility years, and with Scott Boras Super Agent as his representation, he wouldn’t be signing long term with SD
@ Peter: It doesn’t “even out” when you have the Yankees hitting bombs OVER out outfielders’ heads
@ Josh: That lineup is great, but the Yankees’ lineup is still better…unfortunately!
@ Ryan: If the Padres wait until July they risk Adrian Gonzalez getting hurt, and then he has no value. The Padres’ best chance of getting maximum value is trading him now.
December 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Pretty much most of the trade/signing proposals you all mentioned are viable options for the Red Sox. Althought the thought by some of you suggesting that A. Gonzales trade value will decrease if hes not traded by the deadline is crazy thought. Seattle will most certainly be in the mix for any AG trade. Their farm system is much deeper than the sox is a present time and anyone who follows baseball and rejects that is just a sox homer. Also the PR hit Hoyer will take if he just lets him go to the Sox. All deals equal he will deal him to another team other than Bos. Im as big a Sox fan as the next but make no mistake about it…..SD holds all the cards. He will be traded to the team that offers them the best package. Everyone thought the Jays were going to get shafted by waiting to deal Halladay…guess what..they got the main guy they wanted all along..Drabek.
December 24th, 2009 at 12:11 am
I would trade Ells in a deal for Adrian without hesitation… We have Raymond Fuentes in our farm system, who will be our future center fielder, along with Westmoreland and Joshua Reddick, and Ryan Kalish… Trade Ells and Buchholz and a low A prospect for Adrian, extend his contract, and sign Bay… pay the luxury tax, and compete with the Yanks.. End of the day, we still have a much better farm system then the Yanks do, and we could compete with them without denting it too much… Plus, trading Ells would most likely allow us to keep Casey Kelley, who is now converted fully to starting pitching, and is now the number 1 pitching prospect for the Sox.. It’s a no brainer
December 24th, 2009 at 2:42 am
@ Justin. Again, they won’t want him. He has Boras as his agent, so he’d have no future with them. They want younger players who have less well-known Agents so they can lock them up
December 24th, 2009 at 9:38 am
if they sign bay then, they will most likely send ellsbury along with buchholz and a bunch of prospects to san diego for adrian gonzalez.
thats the only way i can see them resigning bay unless they send ellsbury away for a “nobody”
December 24th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Bay has strong potential to be another “Drew-like” signing. Not someone you can count on against strong pitching with a .260 average-let’s go elsewhere.
December 24th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Right now the SOX have limited limited POWER..they simply lack the punch to win a world series. Maybe they understand that as much as we do! The Yanks added some serious offense with GRANDERSON…and now they have added another strong starter..we lost by 8 games last year..and we may not even make the playoffs this coming season without the addition of power. Consider what Texas, Seattle have done this offseason to better their teams.
December 24th, 2009 at 10:16 am
sign Bay or Holliday (more likely Bay), trade Ellsbury & Lars Anderson to San Diego for Gonzalez.
your Line up is then:
1.Pedroia
2.Youkilis
3.Drew
4.Gonzalez
5.Martinez
6.Bay / Holliday
7.Ortiz
8.Cameron
9.Scutaro
rotation
1.Beckett
2.Lackey
3.Lester
4.Dice K
5. Bucholz / Wakefield
bullpen
Papelbon
Bard
Bonser
Tazawa
Okajima
Ramirez
thats a pretty good team if you ask me…………..
December 24th, 2009 at 10:42 am
I have been saying this to my friends for the longest time! Re-sign bay and flip Elssbury and Buchholz and 1 or 2 lower level prospects for Agon! Perfect!
December 24th, 2009 at 10:49 am
I would sign Bay, then introduce him to first base. They NEED to do something big, whether it’s sign Bay, trade for Gonzalez….something has to be done.
December 24th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Signing bay is not the answer unless Ells goes in a trade for Gonzalez..and im not sure that will happen because Ells is beginning his arb years and with Borass as his agent Im not sure the pads are looking forward to that..Maddogg, we have a TON of OF prospects ready to step in within a year,possibly this year if needed..Kalis and reddick for starters…I actually dont mind the lineup we have as it stands..If during the year its made clear that we NEED a bat, then go get one..That will give some of these kids time to hopefully put up great numbers in the minors so when it comes to trading them, they are worth more, thus, not giving up so many of them..
December 24th, 2009 at 11:14 am
S.D. can not will NOT deal with Scotty Boy Boras any more than Boston and NYY have this offseason. He is greedy Ebenezer Scrooge incapable of redemption. So NO 2 Ellsbury- but S.D. needs catching. Sox tried to get Max Ramirez 4 Lowell 2 include in Agon trade. Now, maybe Bosox need 2 find a third team with catching 2 put 2gether a 3-way Agon trade.
December 24th, 2009 at 11:14 am
I know Ellsbury is arb eligible in a year or 2 and is also a boras client but if the Sox do include Ells in a trade to SD for Agon, couldnt SD just flip him to another team for some value? But still, even with Clay and Ells in the trade, SD is still gona want to get one of Kelly or Westmoreland and another mid to low level prospect. I’d say Westmoreland cuz if Clay goes, the Sox dont have anyone to replace Kelly as the top pitching prospect right now. So I say Clay, Ells, Westmoreland, Bowden for AGon. Acourse, this is all depending if the Sox can get one of Bay/Holliday. Actually, they should get a gentlemans agreement with SD right now on this trade and then tell them it goes down as soon as the Sox sign one of Bay/Holliday. And then sign one more middle relief and that should cover everything
December 24th, 2009 at 11:52 am
The apparent knock on Jason Bay has been his defense in left field. Why not just move him to first base. He can’t be that horrible… especially with a defensive replacement in Kotchman.
December 24th, 2009 at 11:59 am
You keep Jacoby Ellsbury cause we all know he’s proven a member of red sox nation and he’s a good lead off man move him to right field, Than you setup a package of Jeremy Hermida,(Who if you look his salary is seriously off the chain)than you throw in Buchholz,and Ryan Kalish to get Adrian Gonzalez.,That way San Deigo some young out fielders and a young pitcher and in return red sox get some space to resign Bay and get antoher big bat in their lineup. and with drew you can sub him in during late innings of games,or have him DH when Vartiek isn’t or David Ortiz isn’t you move Youkills over to 3rd, Than when Lowell is a healthy sub him in some games at 3rd to get his trade value up high,than you trade him for a player to be named later or a young prospect.
December 24th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
A decent portion of this deal comes down the question of Bay v. Ellsbury. If you bring in Bay, you’ve got 4 starting outfielders, and the most obvious(though not only) solution is to include Ells in a trade for A-Gon. If you don’t bring in Bay, you need to keep Ells to play center.
So which one would you rather have?
My answer is likely to see lots of disagreement: if it IS one or the other, I’d rather keep Ellsbury. I think Bay is a better hitter, and he’s already proven himself a non-Drew-like signing. But Ellsbury’s baserunning is an asset you can’t replace. His base-stealing ability changes the quality and number of pitches our heart-of-the-order hitters see, and without Ells, you essentially lose that entire weapon from your arsenal. The acquisition of A-Gon or Bay, if you do it, is made MORE valuable by having Ells on base when the heart of the order comes up.
Sure, his OBP was only .355 last year. But that includes .385 in the last two months of the season, and he’s a young guy with the ability to improve that.
December 24th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Does Anyone Honestly Think The Red Sox Will Use Jeremy Hermida This Year Or Will He Just Be Trade Bait?
December 24th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Its football/basketball/hockey season…
Deal with those sports now, like how the Pats are going to clinch the division yet they dont look all that great…Too many Red Sox nutbags here right now…Yeck
December 24th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
ells had a better avg. then pedroia and the second person in SB was pedroia with 20 , 20 – 70 in a big jump
December 24th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
bay is good—lose Drew
December 24th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
I’m thinking, Bay at firstbase. Not as much ground to cover and shorter
throw’s to make.
December 24th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
We should sign Bay to $15million a year and then trade Bay, Lowell, Buccholz, Ellsbury and Bard to San Diego and the Red Sox should still pay all their salaries and we get Gonzalez in return.
December 24th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Deal?
December 24th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Since we are on mlbtraderumors.com, we will go ahead and continue talking baseball.
I like the idea of using Bay at 1B and holding onto Clay, Ellsbury and all of our prospects. We can always make a trade at the deadline if someone gets hurt or there is a hole to be filled.
December 24th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
I Like the looks of this…
Bay 1st Base
Pedroia 2nd Base
Scutoro Short Stop
Youkilis 3rd Base
Ellsbury Left Field
Cameron Center Field
Drew Right Field
Lowell DH (backup 1st and 3rd as well)
Ortiz Bench Coach/ Pinch Hitter
Starting Pitchers
Beckett
Lester
Lackey
Buccholz
Matsuzaka
Wakefield
with Bard and Papelbon closing out.
I wouldn’t mind if they made a trade for Gonzalez, but if we settle for Bay at 1st base, its looking good.
December 24th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Sadly…this rumor looks dead on arrival…not reported anywhere by anyone but Rob Bradford…
December 24th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I would prefer no Jason Bay so I wouldn’t call it sad. He;s not worth $15m a year.
But then again, its not my money, so I wouldn’t mind if he came back. He’s a pretty good player.
December 24th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
J-Bay. Nooooooo!!!! I sutter at the very thought of this. Manny is,to this day a better outfeilder than Bay is. Do not weaken the defence with him. If ya have so little faith in the rookies, comeing up! Then go ahead and sign Matt.H. But ya do not need J-Bay.
I will NOT pay any money to watch him again in our out feild. He is not worth it. Yes like others befor him he can smack a homer. But I like to win,and he just dose not do the little thing ya need done. Begone with him! Now.
December 24th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Carlos Pena 1st base?
December 24th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
@Josh
Are you kidding me? Trading Ellsbury AND Bucholz? No effing way would the Sox do that. One or the other, preferably Ells.
December 24th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
@ Arendell
What have you been smoking? Jay Bay had a perfect 1.000% Fldg Pct. this year… he made 1 error with the Sox in 2008, also. I don’t understand how you say Manny is better at fielding… Manny doesn’t even try…
December 24th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
does anybody know when the Sox stop paying the contracts of other teams shortstops? figure that will be a nice salary savings too.
December 24th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
However, if we can’t get A-Gon, how about signing Russell Branyan to a one year contract and save the rest of the prospects for an A-Gon deal sometime in July. Then put Branyan on the bench. No one has talked about Branyan, and they should be. He has proven hes got some pop in that bat and some pretty good defense at first base.
Lineup:
1.Jacoby Ellsbury
2.Dustin Pedroia
3.Victor Martinez
4.Kevin Youkilis
5.David Ortiz
6.Russell Branyan
7.J.D. Drew
8.Mike Cameron
9.Marco Scutaro
That ain’t a bad lineup at least to start the year.
Besides, Branyan could be a steal at a low cost.
December 25th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Sign Bay, then trade Tazawa, Bucholz and drew for A-gon, that way West, Ells, kelly and maybe another prospect.
Lineup:
1Ells
2pedroia
3bay
4a-gon
5youk
6v-mart
7ortiz
8cameron
9scutaro
rotation:
Lester
Beckett
Lackey
dice-k
wakefield/Bowden
pen:
delcarmen
bard
ramirez
okajima
other young sox pitchers
December 25th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
ellsbury suck`s i would trade him in a minute.
December 25th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
there is no reason to sign Jason. The team needs to add some depth to the bullpen and thats it. The Sox have a solid team right now and I think theo is happy with the team he has essembled. great rotation a lineup that can score runs, good defense and a solid bullpen. But with losing wagner and saito the sox should try and add one or two more guys to add depth.
December 25th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
i disagree the redsox have a great bullpen its just last year all their starting pitchers averaged five innings a game so thier bullpen ran out of gass getting lackey can help with that and beckett/dice k isnt injured so the redsox should be fine and why would you trade elsbury he can hit 80 stolen bases and he can be a gold glove elsbury fits in perfectly just wait out on bay the redsox are good enough without him cameron can get the RBI’s and he has a wicked high on base percentage and hes a gold glove the sox are waiting cause all these great prospects are coming up in the next few years notice how a lot of these players contracts are ending in a couple of years their planning on getting rid of thier SS and RF and SP and relief cause they know that their going to bring up all these super stars we cant alwasy win what fun is that
December 25th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
make the trade… adrian g. will make the team much better offensive and defensive.
December 25th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
And hey mike the sox and the yankees had an evan record this year the yankees arent getting to much better besides the deal with granderson the sox are feilding wise and pitching wise remember last year dice k and josh bekett were injured if they werent we would of won 10 more games and dont forget the deal with brad penny and john smoltz went horrible so i think that it will evan out cause the yankees and redsox are evan they just have a different type of team
December 25th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
bottom line is signing lackey gave the sox the luxury of trading clay for adrian gonz in a package. give the padres clay, westmoreland, lars anderson and another throw in for aGon. trading casey kelly AND clay bucholz depletes ur two best young SPs, and theres no way in hell they shud give up ellsbury with his speed and glove, ESPECIALLY in a deal including bucholz!
December 25th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
HEY…why not offer dice-k and keep clay??? of course, we would need to eat a majority of his salary, but $$ is not an issue (anyone who believes it is is kidding themselves).
im as big a dice-k fan as anyone, but it may work out publicity-wise for the padres…getting rid of the mexican-born gonzalez for japanese star matsuzaka? hoyer wont catch as much heat for that deal, and of course the sox would need to throw in kelly or westmoreland or anderson etc…
December 26th, 2009 at 11:08 am
All you A Gone groupies.. Tell me have you ever seen him play? I can’t say I have so how do we know he is not another rentaria. who can’t take the heat. Keep the kids.
December 26th, 2009 at 11:29 am
IF THE YANKEES DON’T SIGN DAMON,TRY TO GET HIM FOR 7,500 FOR 2 YRS
December 26th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Why dont we just wait all these people are coming up or going on the free agency like pujols or what about our young firstbase man thats coming up hes suspose to be amazing why should we trade all these prospects for players that are going to be on the free agent market in a couple of years we got a good team as it is do not forget we won 96 games last year with dice k and josh bekett injured so why get anybody when our teams already capable of winning a hundred games
December 26th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
well the redsox are in a situation with their future. i think that they should sign holiday or bay (holliday would be better.) Then they should do a three team trade with san diego and some othr team who would trade prospects. For Example. The redsox can give bucholz,tazawa,and hermida and prospects. San diego gives away Adrian gonzalez. then a team who needs an outfielder like the pirates could get hermida, they would just need to give prospects away to san diego
outcome:
redsox-gets adrian gonzalez
san diego-tazawa,bucholz,prospects from a team that gets hermida
other team-get hermida ans prospects from redsox
redsox lineup:
1.ellsbury,CF
2.pedroia,2B
3.martinez,C
4.gonzalez,1B
5.bay or holliday,RF
6.youkillis,3B
7.ortiz,DH
8.cameron,LF
9.scuturo,SS
December 26th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
ya the only problem with that is where would you put drew the redsox tried trading drew nobody was interested and your not going to bench a player your spending 15 million dollars on and out of curiosity why get gonzalez when you can get hanily from the marlins and just sign pujols as a free agent cause the year after that their bringing up a left and right feilder a firstbaseman a shortstop and like four pitchers
December 27th, 2009 at 6:58 am
What was in the eggnog some of you guys have been drinking? The only comment I read that made sense was the sign Bay and then package Ellsbury and Buchholz and maybe one or two prospects for Gonzalez. If, and that’s a big IF, the Sox resign Bay, I’d bet the house that that trade, or one very similar, would happen. I love Ellsbury’s speed and defense but young power-hitters that come on the cheap like Gonzalez don’t come along very often. If he continues to hit like he has, he won’t be cheap forever so you might as well try to get him now.
December 27th, 2009 at 11:19 am
thats the reason why the padres are getting rid of him because in a couple of years when his contract ends hes going to want texeria money which gonzalez already said in an interview
December 27th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Theo just give them man what he wants!!! he came in after Manny and took charge he is professional and does the job.Damnnnn what more can you ask for???? If you can give Slackey money and years Bay sure in hell deserves it! or i quit,lol
December 27th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
ya but their was a need for lackey bay thier isnt really a need for because of camerion and their other guy they picked up pitching they needed lackey so they would have someone to fill in the spot if a pitcher got injured which for the redsox have been happening a lot and he was the best thing out their on the free agent list bay though their isnt a need its unlikely anything major will happen injury wise to the redsox outfeild and if so thiers minor leaugers who are ready to fill in the position
December 27th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
josh, drew is not hitting last cameron is and drew 8th but the rest ur rightttttttt slaugtter
December 28th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
drew is the extra piece let him go sign bay puzzle solved
December 28th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
NO DO NOT SIGN BAY! LET HIM WALK! We NEED to keep Ellsbury. He adds a dynamic to our team that few others can do.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Hey Guys… Ells won’t go anywhere and this is because his contract is done at the end of this year and his agent is $cott Boar A$$ and he’ll want a ton of money for a player like Ells. How about re-signing Bay, eat a bit of Cameron’s contract, and send him, Bucholz, and Westmorland to SD for AGon… SD was looking to sign Cameron before the Sox did. We’d have a lineup of
CF Ellsbury
2B Pedroia
1B AGonz
Ca VMart
DH Papi
LF Bay
3B Youk
RF Drew
SS Scutaro
December 28th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
or instead we could get hanily so next year it could look like this
RFDrew
SSRamirez
DHPapi
1BPujols
CMartinez
CFCameron
2BPedroia
1BYoukilis
CFEllsbury
i know this sounds weird but drew is an on base machine so he is most usefull being first in the line up hanily is a high average player so he can hit drew in scoring position and then papi is a good player but you have to pitch to him and you wont pitch around him if pujols is behind him so he can do good at third pujols can do everything so hes perfect for the number 4 spot victor is good for RBI’S and then cameron next because he is good for knocking in RBI’S and if elsburry is last he’ll steal a lot of bases pedroia after cameron because he is a high average player youkilis after pedroia cause he knocks in a lot of runs and ellsbury last cause in this spot he can steal a lot of bases
December 28th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
yea, because we’re going to be able to just “pick up” Hanley and Pujols… we’re talking realistic not fantasy world… I want some of whatever Santa left in your stocking
December 28th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
if your smart youll realize that we have the prospects to get hanily and pujols wants a lot of money that the cardenals wont pay and the yankees wont either the only other team that can pay him is the redsox smarten up rick were talking about things that the redsox can do they have the money and prospects and they have to many prospects we dont need 4 potial all star outfeilders so no its not a fantasy its reality you just dont know baseball enough to realize it
December 29th, 2009 at 3:53 am
Sign Bay to a back heavy contract, moving Jacoby to right and having Cameron in center. J.D. Drew has the body structure and is athletic enough to cover first base, acting as a 4th outfielder along with Hermida, who can also cover 1st. We also have Kotchman. Move Youk to his natural position a 3rd. This will allow us to keep all our prospects and add a power bat who is proven at Fenway Park. I am not opposed at all to trading for Adrian Gonzalez, I just feel this is another more realistic option
December 29th, 2009 at 7:21 am
I agree to that Justin! Peter we do need Bay.He would start, this cameron or w/e can back him up if he gets hurt.Cant just rely on one guy to play 100+ games all year without any injuries or days off.I must be the only one banging my head against the wall over this!
December 29th, 2009 at 10:29 am
you might need bay now but the thing is you cant always think of whats out their now you gottaz thing about whats out their then were suspose to have two outfeilders coming up next year where are we going to put them you know how the sox dont like trading their prospects and camerion will hit thirty home runs i only because of the green monster and hell hit ninty rbi’s now that hes on a fantastic hiting team evan though the brewers arent bad hitting wise i want bay but hes not a need theirs bigger free agents out their than bay next year the only way id get bay is if the trade that their trying to pull with the tigers work out were they trade cameron and clay plus a few others to get justin verlander cause the tigers are trying to not spend a lot of money and verlander iss going to want a lot of money so the sox are trying to get him or miguel cabrera
December 29th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Here’s what the lineup “should” look like on opening day.
1 SS scutaro
2 2B pedroia
3 3B youk
4 C martinez
5 1B gonz
6 LF bay
7 DH lowell
8 RF drew
9 CF cameron
December 29th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
ya but what about david ortiz ortiz was injured last year everybody says he sucks but for the last two years three years hes had wrist leg and hip problems which are all the biggest factors of hitting so where would you put him you cant trade him to a national league team they wont put him at first and you cant bench him where would he go
December 29th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
So it comes down to $6 million more than the Sox were offering for 4 years and Bay gets to play for the train wreck known as the New York Mets. Good riddance…he will never win a championship in his lifetime.
January 2nd, 2010 at 12:07 am
They’re waiting and saving money to sign Carl Crawford next off season… As of next off season, they will have 48 million off their pay roll. That means a huge off season, MASSIVE offseason
January 2nd, 2010 at 12:51 am
Ortiz is done. He’s not on the juice anymore. He’s fat, slow and can’t hit the breaking ball. While they wait for Crawford to come to the Yankees, the yankees will be happy to collect # 28. So while the sox are thinking of a way to replace 35 homers & 119 RBI’s and trade Mike Lowell who nobody will take, unless the sox pay 9 million of his salary. So how will they replace there only power hitter Bay? Or that’s right they will win with pitching & defense.
If you believe the Sox they have the best staff in baseball. Beckett has been avg the last 2 years, Lester is very good they don’t score runs for him, Lacky won 12 games, Wow!!! Dice is good when he is around. That staff does not scare anybody. There will be so much pressure put on them because the weak sox offense. People forget that team had real problems on the road scoring runs.
January 2nd, 2010 at 9:49 am
your right how will the redsox ever replace 35 homers and 119 RBI’S oh ya now i remember albert pujols is on free agency and carlos pena stupid of me to forget
January 2nd, 2010 at 9:49 am
and ortiz isnt done he hit the most homeruns second half more than anybody
January 2nd, 2010 at 9:50 am
i do agree beckett has been very very average the past two years
January 2nd, 2010 at 9:52 am
but seriously the sox were 3rd in RBI’S last year and the staff doesnt scare you its better than the yankees staff
January 3rd, 2010 at 12:44 am
Hey, I just heard Jason Bay signed with the Mets…
January 3rd, 2010 at 9:52 am
haha your a little late
January 3rd, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Dreale has a lineup of Bay and Gonzalez The Sox don’t have those players. everybody thinks the sox are going to get Gonzalez,lets be real there will be alot of teams interested in him, the sox are only 1 team. Second of all does anybody really think Albert Pujols will leave the cardinals? So if the Red sox staff is better then the yankees why did they not win the american league east and the world series. Because they stink on the road, away from Fenway they are a average team bottom line. the Red sox are a worst team now then last year. Lets just say the sox get Gonzalez at the trade deadline by then it will be too late. Lets say pujols does test free agency, are the sox willing to put up 25 million a year? Paperbon & Beckett will be gone after this year too. this team is in decline bigtime.