That’s a wrap: Theo Epstein, Terry Francona reflect on season
|10.03.10 at 6:27 pm ET|
Red Sox GM Theo Epstein and manager Terry Francona held a press conference following the Red Sox’ season-ending 8-4 victory over the Yankees to discuss Boston’s 2010 club — the second in Epstein’s eight years as Sox GM to fall short of the postseason — and the shape of the club going forward. The two offered insight into several aspects of the club, among them:
- With a number of key players who could become free agents (David Ortiz, Victor Martinez, Adrian Beltre, Jason Varitek), the Sox recognize that this offseason could be one of significant change. “I can say there’s potential for there to be larger-than-normal turnover, but I wouldn’t guarantee it either,” said Epstein. “We’ll see how everything comes together.”
- Fixing the bullpen and retaining core free agents were described by Epstein as the club’s top offseason priorities. Epstein said that Sox may pursue multi-year deals for middle relievers, though interest in such players will be tempered by the poor history of deals for them.
- The Sox felt that their club was well-balanced and strong entering the year, but while the team’s offense — despite the injuries — lived up to expectations, the team’s run prevention did not.
- The presence of Jon Lester and Clay Buchholz at the top of the rotation represents a strength of the club for years to come.
- Epstein declined to say whether the team would exercise the 2011 option on the contract of David Ortiz, but did say that the club was interested in bringing him back.
- As for free agent Adrian Beltre, the Sox will “do everything we can to bring him back,” said Epstein, so long as it is in the best interests of the team.
- The Sox would also like to bring back Victor Martinez. “We’d love to see the relationship continue,” said Epstein.
- The Sox’ approach to outfield upgrades will be influenced by health reports of Mike Cameron and Jacoby Ellsbury. The team expects Cameron to be healthier and more productive next year than he was in 2010, and Ellsbury is expected to pick up where he left off in 2009.
- The Sox believe that Ryan Kalish is capable of being in the majors right now, but Epstein suggested that he could still benefit from further time in Triple-A, and that the shape of the offseason will dictate where he starts 2011.
- Some of J.D. Drew’s struggles were related to his struggles with the strike zone.
- Felix Doubront will be stretched out as a starter in spring training, but he could be a bullpen contributor.
- Epstein made an attempt to clarify his remarks last offseason that 2010 was a “bridge” year, and suggested that he still viewed 2010-11 as a time when the team needed to acquire players (such as Adrian Beltre, Marco Scutaro and Adrian Beltre) to remain competitive while waiting for a wave of homegrown prospects to emerge.
Here is the complete transcript:
How do you assess the year?
Epstein: There’s disappointment that we didn’t get where we wanted to go. we didn’t reach our ultimate goal of getting to the playoffs and trying to do some damage in October. That said, there’s still a lot to be proud of in the way these guys played right to the end. They overcame a lot along the way. so, mixed feelings. We’re proud of the effort and proud of some of the things we accomplished, but still disappointed in the ultimate goal.
What are the offseason priorities?
Epstein: Priorities are trying to fix the bullpen, trying to retain some of the important players who we have who are free agents, trying to make sure we have a well-rounded club going into next season that can again be one of the best clubs in the league offensively but also make sure that we pitch and play defense wth anybody in the league, too, which I think we had the potential to do but we fell short a little bit in that area the way it turned out.
What will be Ellsbury’s role in 2011?
Epstein: We expect him to be healthy and be a significant part of the team, an everyday outfielder for us and if he does what he’s capable of doing, an offensive catalyst and a guy who contributes not only with the bat but also defensively and on the bases, and picks up where he left off. Not let this season carry over at all, but pick up where he left off in essence at the end of 2009 and continue his growth as a player and as a major contributor here.
Coming out of spring training, how did you assess the team, and how do you view the club independent of injuries?
Epstein: I think we did, looking back right at the end of spring training. I think that looking back, we thought, yeah, we thought we could be one of the best two or three teams in the league offensively. That turned out to be true. I think we thought like we felt like we could pitch with anybody. We felt really good about our rotation. We felt good about elements of our bullpen. We knew that we might have to adjust along the way and that guys might have to step up. And we liked the defense we were throwing out there. We did feel pretty good coming out of spring training. Shoot, we’d like to, there’s a lot to be proud of down there, the individual performances guys had and the things we overcame. We’d like to rewind, start over, do 162 over again. See how it turns out. Maybe with some different breaks, some different health, just do it over, we’d feel pretty good about our chances. But that’s not the way you get to do it. And this is the way the 2010 Red Sox turned out. We have to live with that and move forward and try to make up for it in 2011.
Obviously, the injuries were a significant factor. But I think pointing to injuries as the only reason we are where we are is a disservice. It’s not going to help us get better. Obviously, next year I think we’ll be healthier, but there are also elements we want to improve independently of our health.
Do you think Beckett will rebound?
Epstein: Josh didn’t have the season he was looking for. It reminded me a little of 2006. Right at the end of that 2006 season, which was a disappointment for him, he really took responsibility for it. The last thing he said on the way out the door that year was, ‘I’m going to take a look in the mirror and fix this over the winter.’ That’s exactly what he did. From the day he showed up in spring training right through the end of that year, he showed it. I see the same look in his eye now. he’s really not avoiding responsibility right now for the year, even though there was an injury that played a critical role in the underperformance. He’s taken responsibility for it. He’s not dodging the questions. He’s going to fix it this winter. The past is usually a good predictor of the future. Last time he had an off-year, he really bounced back. That’s what we’re looking for again.
What happened to Papelbon?
Epstein: We have confidence in him. Pap didn’t have the year this year that he traditionally puts up, and not to the standards that he set earlier in his career. He’s judged against that standard. That’s understandable. He didn’t live up to that standard this year. At the same time, it’s just about an impossible standard. The guy was so good for the first part of his career. He was just about perfect. It’s hard to be perfect in the American League East as a closer. He’s still a really good closer. He’s still going to help us win games. He’s got a little bit of work to do to get back to that elite level where he was at. I think there were times this year where he started integrating his secondary stuff in and was really effective, and there were times this year that he didn’t command the zone, wasn’t quite as precise with his command as he usually is, didn’t quite have the consistent velocity, the dominant velocity that he normally has and the finish in the zone, but it’s just finding that consistency and getting locked in. Being consistent at that elite level is what it’s all about to close games in this division. He does it really well. A lot of the times, when you’re a closer and you’re not perfect it stands out. He’s another guy who works extremely hard in the winter, takes accountability for what doesn’t go right, as he did last winter coming off the playoff disappointment. I look for a better 2011.
How do you view the seasons of Daisuke Matsuzaka and John Lackey?
Epstein: Lackey, to me had a strong second half. The first half wasn’t quite his best, perhaps some adjustments coming to the American League East from pitching in the West with the bigger ballparks and different lineups. But I think he made the adjustment along the way, and pitched pretty well in the second half. You look up, I think he might have led our team in quality starts, today might have been his 21st, and either led or was right there in innings pitched. He’s a horse who takes the ball and gives you innings and gives you quality innings. Certainly pitched in the second half the way we expect and look forward to that carrying over to next year. With Daisuke, I think a mixed bag with him. There were some moments of brilliance, and there was some frustration along the way too, to be sure. I think the positive is from coming off of last year when he wasn’t able to maintain health and consistently take the ball, he did that this year after coming back from the injury in spring training. To look where we were with him in March, and where we are now, I think we feel a lot better about it now. Along the way there’s been consistent velocity that we hadn’t seen the last couple years, and some improvement in the secondary stuff, even as recently as his last couple starts, so again more positive signs to take into the winter.
What is the significance of having seasons like the ones from Clay Buchholz and Jon Lester?
Francona: I think they were, I don’t know how many times we’ve said it, but it makes the glass look a lot more full. They’re two young, strong, athletic pitchers that went from being good young pitchers to good pitchers, and some of the elite in the league. I think they’re built to be durable, and I think they’re both going to get better. That’s exciting.
Epstein: Lester, just having a second straight dominant campaign like that I think validates what he did last year, and what he’s become. I think there’s sort of no question he’s one of the top lefthanded pitchers in this game, and Clay, this was his season in which he emerged and started to fulfill all the promise that he carried through the minor leagues and that he showed initially coming to the big leagues. Had a lot of adversity along the way with things he’s gone through the last couple years, making the adjustments necessary to pitch in the big leagues, and he grew tremendously along the way both as a pitcher and as a person. He’s somebody that the organization has trusted in the past and now he’s more than earned that trust. He’s a really dependable person and pitcher that we look forward to leaning on for years to come. Having both those guys as homegrown, top of the rotation types makes the organization proud and puts us in a good
position going forward.
After saying at the end of the 2009 season that David Ortiz needed to be ‘a force’ in 2010, how do you assess his 2010 season?
Epstein: Papi had a great, again, he had the tough April and for the second straight year because he is who he is, and because of the passion with which everyone follows this team, he had to sort of take a lot, a big burden came with that, a burden of expectations and questioning. He did an unbelievable job setting that to the side and focusing on getting locked in at the plate, and he did, and he didn’t get unlocked for about five months. So, put up terrific numbers, just about everything you can ask for from your designated hitter, and put up a really big year.
Will you pick up his option?
Epstein: Just as an organization policy, we take those things right out to the end. Even if that weren’t the case here, we haven’t had a chance to sit down with David and his agents yet, and talk to those guys, so that will happen some time between now and three days after the World Series, which I think is the new rule that Major League Baseball just came out with for all options. So we’ll sit down, talk to him, and have those private discussions before we make anything public. But suffice it to say, we’re certainly interested in having him back next year, and we’ll sit down and talk it
through. But it was another great year for him.
How complex are the issues you face this offseason?
Epstein: I think it’s always complex, cause there are always holes to fill. You always have to balance the present and the future, and make sure you do things that make next year’s club as good as it can possibly be without compromising the direction the organization’s headed and making sure you keep the organization in a place where it can be very competitive year in and year out. So this year there are probably more moving parts than most and more variables than most. It just means it’s always a puzzle, but it might be a little bit bigger puzzle, more pieces in the puzzle this year, so unfortunately we have a head start and we’ll put that time to good use and try to line ourselves up to be in a position to get the best possible answers.
Is Doubront a starter or reliever going forward?
Epstein: We still do see him as a very promising left-handed starter, and that’s how he’ll come into spring training, he’ll train this winter as a starter. I don’t want to speak for John and Tito. He’ll probably go into spring training with a starter’s routine but if we don’t have an opening in the rotation and we maintain good health and in our evaluation, we feel like Felix can help us in the bullpen, we wouldn’t be opposed to putting him in there. He showed enough this year making that transition to think he could be a real asset for us if that’s what comes to pass. It’s a lot easier to prepare as a starter and end up in the ‘pen than vice versa, so we’ll certainly bring him to spring training as a starter and see what happens. Pretty exciting what he was able to accomplish this year moving up through three levels, maintain his stuff, command and poise at all three levels.
What did you learn about the rookies?
Francona: We got a lot of looks at a lot of guys because of a lot of things that happened. I think the biggest shock to them is how important every game is to us here. You watch games on TV, you don’t realize how intense the dugout is and how much losses hurt us. Guys are used to trying to play the game to get here. When they make a mistake, you chalk it up to development, when you make a mistake here you have to answer for it and we may lose a game in the standings, and I think that was a little bit of a surprise, talking to [Daniel] Nava, [Ryan] Kalish, Lars [Anderson] even a little bit, that was probably the biggest shock to those guys.
Are you comfortable with Victor Martinez as a catcher?
Epstein: At this point now that he’s eligible for free agency, I’ll probably put that in the category of things we should just probably talk about with him because it touches upon negotiations and whatnot. Vic’s done an unbelievable job since he’s been here. When we got him in a trade we knew we were getting a first-class person and someone who prioritized winning and a natural hitter but I don’t think we quite understood the impact he would have here. He’s done a great job and we’d love to see the relationship continue. We’ll see what happens.
Has Martinez gotten better behind the plate?
Epstein: Oh yeah, from where he was in April, to where he was in September, I don’t think there was any comparison. He worked really hard at it, he made some ikmprovements, worked with Gary Tuck and did a great job of leading the pitching staff all year. As a catcher fundamentally, certainly made improvements during course of year.
Do you have any regrets about what you might have done differently?
Epstein: Sure, there’s always a move wish you could have made. There were areas of need on this team that we weren’t able to address quite the way we wanted to, sort of the nature of the trade landscape this year and nature of the needs we had so absolutely. I think we knew coming into the year that if we didn’t have someone step up as a third reliever so to speak, that that would be something we’d like to address internally with Doubront later in the year or outside via a trade any point in season. Not too many of those guys were moved this year, and the couple that were we weren’t able to land. I don’t think that necessarily would have made up all the difference in the standings but it would have put us in better position to win some games.
Did you see enough of Jarrod Saltalamacchia this year?
Epstein: We didn’t get to see a ton of him up here and when he did play he was playing with a torn UCL in his thumb, so it’s hard to make an evaluation based on that. But I’ll tell you what, for a guy with a thumb injury, he sure played well, especially at Pawtucket. When he was here he caught and threw very well. He had very professional at-bats and swung it well. We have a very high opinion of him. He’s got some growth remaining as a player, and hasn’t ever handled sort of the full load of the responsibilities in the big leagues before but there’s a lot to like. It’s not just the front office, I think the coaching staff and Tito feel the same way that this is someone we feel holds a lot of promise. We think he has a future here in one role or another.
Is Ryan Kalish big league ready?
It depends. I think there’s a difference between ready to handle responsibility that comes your way out of necessity and being absolutely ready to reach your full potential and be the very best that you can be. If it turns out next year that we have an opening, a spot for Ryan, we all trust him in this organization, to handle himself the right way, to play good baseball, to grind his at-bats, and play defense and run the bases but I think at the same time we all feel like he has even more growth left. He’s got an even higher ceiling than what he’s showed right now. If we feel like he can continue that development in the big leagues and it’s appropriate given the rest of the roster, then so be it. But it may turn out to be appropriate to continue that development in Triple-A. So we’ll have to wait and see but we feel he can handle the responsibility but we want to make sure he reaches his ultimate ceiling, since it’s so high and he carries such potential.
Do you anticipate the roster changing significantly this offseason?
Epstein: I don’t know. There’s always some change, whether you like it or not, from one year to the next, probably seemingly more in the industry today than a decade ago for instance. And there’s no denying that we have some crucial players eligible for free agency. In free agency, it always takes both sides to be willing and able to reach an agreement to come back, so there are no certainties there. I can’t answer that. I can say there’s potential for there to be larger-than-normal turnover, but I wouldn’t guarantee it either. We’ll see how everything comes together.
Why are you optimistic that the team will be better in 2011 than 2010?
Francona: We will be (optimistic). Every year we go to spring training, our guys manage to put a team together that we feel like will have a chance to compete. That won’t change. But you’re a little ahead. We haven’t started the process yet.
Why did you take Varitek out of the game?
Francona: We’ve done it in the past in certain circumstances, and I wanted the fans — not only the fans, but maybe our players — to show their appreciation for Tek. Couple reasons we left him in as long as we did. One, Lackey was pitching, and I didn’t want to interrupt that. And [Kevin Cash] actually hurt his wrist last night swinging in that at-bat, so he wasn’t really feeling too good about hitting. And I didn’t want to play [Victor Martinez]. So, we left Tek out about as long as we could. If he’d have gotten a hit, we’d have pinch-run for him. Since he didn’t — he almost hit that ball out of the ballpark — we let him go back and warm up. I knew it would embarrass him, and you could tell it did, but I still think it was good for the fans to really show their appreciation. You could see the way they reacted, and every player was out in our dugout, how they feel about him.
Epstein: It was great to see. I don’t think anyone deserves that kind of reception from the fans more than he does. No matter what happens going forward, he’s a Red Sox. More than anyone of us, he’s a Red Sox. The future is uncertain. While that warmth the fans showed and his teammates showed may have seemed like a goodbye, it doesn’t necessarily have to be that way. I think there’s uncertainty with our catching situation, and we’ll see how things turn out. That’s the nature of the future. We just don’t know. But for today, it was a very, very appropriate moment for a guy who has meant more to this franchise than just about anybody.
Can injuries mask the shortcomings of the club?
Epstein: Yeah, it can. I mean, I think injuries that don’t have carryover to the next year are less difficult to deal with. It’s when you have injuries and guys coming off of surgery that’s tricky and the doctor can’t tell you if he’s going to be 100 percent or not or ever going to bounce back, that’s difficult to deal with because you don’t know what you ahve going forward. I think the injuries we had this year fall into the category, most of them unfortunately, of season-ending, but not the type that would carry over into future years. So, I think we know what we have coming back. But you can more or less quantify how much was injury and how much was underperformance on a team level. Again, I wish we could go back and play this thing over with the team that we have. Just look at some of the performances we had. If you add Youk and Pedroia and Jacoby to some of the things we accomplished, I think things would’ve turned out a little differently. It makes it challenging but not impossible. I think you kind of know what you have. Doesn’t mean it’s all coming back. Doesn’t mean it’s all going to replicate in the future.
Do you quantify that impact?
Epstein: We try to analyze as best you can, yeah.
How do you assess J.D. Drew’s season?
Epstein: He never really got hot like he can this year. In previous years, he got really hot for like a month or two, which can really help out his numbers at the end of the year. I think the strike zone bothered him. Probably more than any hitter we have, he’s really reliant on working the count, using his discipline to put himself into position to get a good pitch to hit. He had his struggles this year with the strike zone, his walks were down, got him out of his natural swing a little bit where he wasn’t able to stay inside of the ball, because he was having trouble with some of the pitches just off the plate, he got into a mode where he had to hook the ball a little bit. That affected him. It’s something he’ll have to reconcile with the next year so he can get back to getting on base 40 percent of the time instead of 34 percent of the time and going back to the player that he was.
Are you confident that Cameron can be healthy?
Epstein: Pretty confident based on the medical reports right now, which are outstanding. He’s feeling great. The surgery was, at this point, a big success. He’s feeling better than he has in years. It doesn’t matter what he says now. We’ll see. It doesn’t matter what he says now. it matters how he looks in April, and his ability to go out there and play. We’re feeling pretty confident. We’re not dealing with a player who’s in his prime age years now. we’re dealing with someone who’s on the other end of the aging curve. We’ll be smart about it, but I think he’ll show us more. … He’ll do more next year than he did this year.
What do you expect the market for Beltre to be like, and will the timing of talks with Beltre impact negotiations with him?
Epstein: I think it will be an active market. Adrian is a really good player. He did an incredible job for us this year. It was everything we could have hoped for and more. The toughness that he showed, playing through some injuries, the consistency that he showed offensively and bringing his usual great defense was really impressive. We’re not the only one who saw that. Everyone else saw that. We’ll see. The timing, free agency is a right that players work long and hard to get. Not too many players ever reach free agency, and put themselves in a position to say where they’re going to play. You’ve got to respect that. We can’t dictate the timing. We’ll negotiate with him and do everything we can to bring him back and keep the best interests of the club in mind at all times when it comes time to make a decision one way or the other. He had a great year. He deserves to go out and be a free agent.
What did you see from Lowrie?
Epstein: He had a really, really good second half of the season. It was impressive what he was able to do, the numbers he was able to put up. But beyond the numbers, he looked like a really good hitter. He commanded the strike zone well, he swung with authority, especially from the right side and lately from the left side as well. He sees the ball extremely well. He probably sees the ball out of the hand as well as the guys like [Kevin] Youkilis and [Dustin] Pedroia who make their living that way. Especially for a guy that can play the middle infield, those are some rare offensive skills to find. He’s a guy who can carve a real career for himself as an above-average offensive player in the infield.
He had a real uncertain first half of the season with his health, not only battling the wrist thing that’s lingered for a couple of years, but the mono. To look at where he was back in May and then where he is now, feeling good about himself and having everyone feel good about him is a good accomplishment. He was a very good, very consistent player for the second half of the season who’s opened a lot of eyes and fulfilling the promise that he’s had for a long time.
Do you look at the outfield as an area of possible improvement?
Epstein: With every area of the club, you look to see if there are areas to improve. We have good outfielders on the roster. We have a little bit of depth. We have a couple players coming off of injury. We’ll continue to do medical assessments on them throughout the course of the winter. That may impact the decision to a certain extent, and also what’s available and at what cost. That will factor in as well.
With the change in the offseason calendar, do you expect the offseason to unfold more quickly?
Epstein: I don’t think so. I think everything will just start a little earlier. Probalby the most significant change is that the tender date now happens before the winter meetings. That change in the sequence might affect some negotiations here and there for certain clubs. Otherwise, it just allows free agents to start the process earlier and give everyone a little bit more time to make good decisions.
How would you describe the attitude and approach of the team this year?
Francona: I think cooperation is a good word. We went through a lot early. Sometimes we had to fight our way through it. We had a lot of challenges. We didn’t meet all of them, but I felt like we were going in one direction. And so it makes life for me and the coaches, when you’re going through things with people you care about and respect, it’s not a bad way to go through it. It doesn’t always turn out the way you want, but it doesn’t mean you have to be miserable. That’s kind of how I felt about our year. We made some mistakes, sometimes they cost us games, but it wasn’t for lack of trying.
Theo talked about some of the injuries and we’re not making excuses, but I’ve said a million times, our margin for error was less. There were times we made errors. It didn’t mean we still couldn’t win. But at times, we just weren’t good enough. But that doesn’t mean we don’t respect the guys in that room.
How would you assess the job done by Terry Francona?
Epstein: He did his normal great job. I know everyone’s sort of pointing it out because of the injuries we went through, but I feel he does that same great job every year. One of Tito’s great strengths is getting the players to respect him and like him and care about him and play hard for him. If you don’t have that in a year when you go through a lot of injuries and see a lot of new faces and having a lot of changing parts, it can have a disastrous result. In a year of a lot of change, Tito and his staff were constants and helped bring the very best to players we had coming through that room.
How will you go about building a better bullpen?
Epstein: We’ll have to see how the offseason plays out. If you look at the history of higher-paid, non-closing relievers on multi-year deals, it’s not pretty. What we hope we end up with are guys who lock down spots, whether guys you would feel that way about at this moment, that remains to be seen. We would like to sign guys with good track records, guys who have a great track record, and we may. But I also think to have a good bullpen, guys have to emerge, whether internally or guys who you buy low on or guys who you sign to minor league deals.
Do you expect the coaching staff back?
Epstein: We’re going to get together and talk in the next couple of days and then address everything with our coaches.
Are you concerned about the performance of the medical staff?
Epstein: I think that happens any year you have a lot of injuries. The medical staff, they’re like umpires: Nobody notices them or talks about them until there’s a year where there’s a perception things go wrong, then it’s sort of fair game to pile on. I think we have really good personnel. Our trainers, our doctors, I think we’re affiliated with a really good hospital, one of the best in the world. And I think we provide quality care for our players. Beyond that there’s the subtleties of the medical operation, communication, and making sure everybody is on the same page, and processing the information. That can be tough in a year where there are a lot of injuries. Ultimately I take responsibility for that. That falls within baseball operations and I have to make sure the systems we have in place are the best they possibly can be and engender trust in the players and everyone else involved in the process. Along the way we think we’ve already learned a couple of things and made some adjustments with those systems. Our M.O. in certain areas have changed and we’re continue to look at it this winter, and if there are things we can do differently, and anything we can improve with those systems and with the communication than we will going forward.
Will ownership be involved in that assessment?
Epstein: It’s the same as anything else. Baseball Ops reports to ownership. It’s under our supervision, our direct purview, but in this organization there is syngery between all departments and always involve ownership in the direction that we’re headed and how we’re going to get there.
Do you regret the bridge comment?
Epstein: Let me just rewind and address what I meant in the first place. I referred to 2010 and 2011 as bridge years in the sense that the clubs that we had in 2007, ’08 and ’09 had been pretty similar and had the same nucleus, there wasn’t a lot of turnover. And then because of philosophical change in a lot of our drafting we didn’t have our upper minors stocked, ready to take over as everyday guys and we probably wouldn’t until 2012. So in order to remain competitive at the highest levels, and put ourselves in position to contend for the postseason and the World Series we knew we would have to create a bit of a bridge in 2010 and 2011, and what that meant was signing players to shorter contracts to get us to our younger players in 2012. It also meant signing Adrian Beltre to a one-year deal. Signing Marco Scutaro, going back a little further. Trading for Victor Martinez on July 31, 2009. Bringing in players from outside the organization to create a little bit of a bridge because we didn’t have those answers internally and we probably won’t until, solid everyday answers, until 2012. What we did was try to put a team on the field last winter that put us in a position to try and win 95 games and get us to the postseason, and we did that. We didn’t happen to win 95 games, and we didn’t get to the postseason, and that’s a disappointment. But we’re going to take the same approach this year. We need to build a team that can win at least 95, get to the postseason and do some damage. We don’t have all the answers internally. We’re going to have to be active and build a team in part from outside the organization that can get us there.
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