They’d have to go 5 wide, empty backfield to actually use that…and how often can they do that? (being extremely generous) 20%?  So basically Wayne or Lloyd would be on the field about 20% of the time tops.  Or Hernandez/Gronk/VJax/Welker would play significantly less than they currently do (which makes no sense).  That’s why if the Patriots could land Wayne or Lloyd on a cost effective deal, a guy like VJax is an unnecessary luxury.  The Patriots would obviously be better served allocating the rest of the cap money to the defensive side of the ball.  Remember Wayne or Lloyd would be a 4th option, and that’s a real good 4th option.  That offense would have more talent than the 07 offense (excluding Brady).

Resign Welker because it sure sounds like Lloyd is already on board.

Yeah, he’s good but why can’t we get a real game changer like a Plaxico Burress or some other 6’5 wide out with great hands that just creates a mismatch with virtually every corner out there. Brady hardly throws pin point passes on the deep ball and i think you need a wide that can play jump ball when it’s thrown off the mark. A taller reciever is just going to compliment this offense alot more. If you can’t get one a Lloyd’s not a bad second choice.

OH HUM!!!

They don’t need a jump ball guy they need a wide receiver who can get open on the outside against man coverage so teams can’t just drop everyone in the middle of the field.  Make them cover sideline to sideline which teams don’t have to do now.

Relax they aren’t going to sign Jackson and then Wayne or Lloyd.  They could possibly sign one receiver but not two more.  That would require a shift in the offense away from the tight ends which would be stupid.

I love Welker but it seems to me that the two tight ends have the middle of the field covered. I think the Pats would be better off spending that money on a big outside reciever like a Vincet Jackson or Marques Colston. Hernandez can take over alot of Welkers short passes over the middle. 

I’m on board with getting this guy.  He knows the system and seems to have plenty left in the tank.  And to top it off, it appears he wants to come here.  I’m not sure I’d invest too much more in the offense after resigning Welker and Green Ellis and this kid..  Time to sink some dough into the defensive end of things.   

Gosh I hope they go a top FA for WR.  I’d hate to think of wasting another draft pick.  Besides we have defensive linemen and defensive backs we need to waste those picks on.

Moss…and Lloyd

They have two tall receivers already, there names are Gronkowski and Hernandez

WHAT ABOUT GETTING A DOMINANT RUNNING GAME GOING HUH? forgot that running backs exist? Ridley or Vereen they better pan out as butt kicking backs or Patriots chances will be hanging of a fine cord EVRY TIME Tom takes a hit or is heavily pressured and hit. Yes, he is not the only QB being rushed in this league, but I think an “unfairly”  heavy doses of criticism is to come his way if they keep putting to much on his plate. Bad throws, bad drops and bad decisions affect every single team in this league, now, it is extremely STUPID to pretend that in today’s NFL Tom Brady can solve it all. This team needs to plan and improve its running game. keep ignoring that and all we are going to get as fans is : “he should have thrown it better…..He should have caught it….he shouldn’t made that decision….” blah blah blah….. plain and simple, Bill O’Brian and McDaniels forgot that in football you NEED to run the ball. Three superbowls came via 100 of team rushing yards, two superbowl losses came via a MEDIOCRE ability at best to run the ball that didn’t even meet the 100 team rushing yards. somehow the passing game for the Pats is off and you can count the game OVER. sorry folks, but I’ve had enough crap of passing league, run the damn ball and and take pressure off Tommy boy. GO PATS!!!!!!

Does it REALLY matter? They had a great team in 06′, 07′, 09′, 10′, 11′….They should have 6 Superbowl trophies by now. If Welker can’t even catch a ball in his hands with the Superbowl on the line who can? I think Bill needs to re-evaluate players not by skill but by how they perform under pressure because this team has a bunch of individuals that have caved time and time again for the last 7 years, on both offense AND defense. Pathetic.

How come the Giants receivers can make ridiculous catches when they need to? Whats the problem Patriots? Choke.

If they had a better defense in those years (largely covered up buy the dominating passing game from ’07 to date) they might have gone much further.  This year alone that would have helped.  By allowing lots of yards to teams, the Pats stand to lose the time of posession – thus giving them less chances on offense and creating more pressure for the offense.  No doubt, the pats need some outside help.  But I wouldn’t invest too much more money in the offense.  We need some D.

Why do people want Wayne, another Deion Branch (possession receiver)?

Want to know what doesn’t help the TOP, even when they crush other teams they usually don’t catch up in TOP until the 4th Qtr…and that’s when they are running the ball to run out the clock. They need a gameplan to help them put in more methodical drives, and an out WR would help.

I do agree with that as well.  They flat out lack playmakers now, big time playmakers, period. They had 2 players dive right over one of the giants fumbles as well (the 3rd fumble i think). I’m just wondering what has happened to the mental makeup of these players. They crack under pressure.

Yeah, Plaxico is a criminal but at least he caught that winning Superbowl td when it hit his hands.

I was surprised at how well the giants were able to run the football 2 weeks ago. It killed alot of clock and helped them get almost double the time of posession.

Agreed I honestly don’t see it as 100% necessity to re-sign Welker, I mean nice to have but a big guy who can get open outside would be pretty nice and if it is either or I take the guy outside to give them a more dynamic offense.

They don’t need a great running game, last years Packers were not a great running team and this season the Giants were dead last in running the ball during the season.  They need an average running game somewhere in the middle of the pack is fine, they do not need a top end dominant running game. 

I think the Pats can get Lloyd to sign for a reasonable price. The Pats could have a different look on offense depending on the team they are playing against. Every team likes to give the Pats a different look on defense. The Jets like to play their safeties short and in the middle to help in double coverage against Welk, Gronk, and Hernandez. Lloyd would give defenses a real deep threat to worry about when he is on the field. Llody WANTS to play on a McDaniels offense. The Pats should sign Lloyd and concentrate on the front and back of their defense. I would like to see the Pats go “all in” and sign Mario Williams if he is available. He would be a game changer that could raise the level of play for the rest of the D-line. Pats could then concentrate on the back of the defense and maybe a O-line player just in case Brian Waters does not come back. I feel good about the 2012 season.

Welker, Lloyd and Wayne. Brady deserves this talent for once. Please make it happen.

PATRIOTS AREN’T THE PACKERS NEITHER THE GIANTS. “Average” running game can carry you through the regular season but when the tough gets going and the defensive backfield is full of players taking away your better than “average” chances you are the officially SCREWED. wake up and smell the coffee buddy. 2001, 2003, 2004 superbowl came home riding a well balanced offense that was able to RUN THE BALL on the BIGGEST STAGE WHEN IT MATTERED racking over 100 yards of team rushing in each of the games. 2007 MEDIOCRE running game and 2011 MISUSED/POORLY PLANNED running game have so far a 0-2 superbowl records, wanna debate on that? or do you want to go ahead and compare our receiving corp with the Jennings/Driver? face it! this offense requires from players to be precise in their level of execution, things go wrong in the passing game and you can count the game OVER. sorry, don’t bring  other teams and try to compare the Pats with them since the system is different and proven to be difficult for players to assimilate. The running game is ALWAYS a safe choice to take the pressure off the passing game and wear opposing defenses. No consistent running game in this offense since 2006 has proven to be lethal to this team as GIANTS, JETS, and RAVENS have been able to easily prepare for what Pats have transform themselves into, a passing first, passing second and maybe, maybe….running third team. No BIG SMASHING BACK  NO superbowl so far. sorry!!! GO PATS!!!

I liked your concern, but the Pats go without any backs more than 20%. Ocho hopefully will be traded, so we need a wideout we really never had last year. Pats need a #1 reciever and a #2 reciever. Imagine the speed on the outside that can catch the ball!!! Doing that effectively opens up the middle much more to Welker–Gronk and Hernadize.  That’s what I call a Bam-Bam attack!!! And with Josh McDaniels coming back, expect something awesome to happen.Gives the offense something new every week, so players can stay healthy, know one is being over played. I think the Pats need another defensive coordinator, we’ll see.

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They’d have to go 5 wide, empty backfield to actually use that…and how often can they do that? (being extremely generous) 20%?  So basically Wayne or Lloyd would be on the field about 20% of the time tops.  Or Hernandez/Gronk/VJax/Welker would play significantly less than they currently do (which makes no sense).  That’s why if the Patriots could land Wayne or Lloyd on a cost effective deal, a guy like VJax is an unnecessary luxury.  The Patriots would obviously be better served allocating the rest of the cap money to the defensive side of the ball.  Remember Wayne or Lloyd would be a 4th option, and that’s a real good 4th option.  That offense would have more talent than the 07 offense (excluding Brady). Link to comment

they need 2 solid recievers. Ouho I hopee is traded, so that makes 2 openings

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Relax they aren’t going to sign Jackson and then Wayne or Lloyd.  They could possibly sign one receiver but not two more.  That would require a shift in the offense away from the tight ends which would be stupid. Link to comment

This may sound crazy but I think they should let Wes go. 9.4mil is a lot. Let him go and try to get Vince Jackson and/or Brandon Lloyd. Gronk and Hernandez can dominate in the middle of the field. Then draft defensively while going after Mario Williams. I think their young corners will be better next year but they need to address their lack of a pass rusher. Andre Carter looked good for awhile but I think they can do better.

Brandon Lloyd would be a solid addition and the Pats should consider him for three major reasons.

1) They need a solid number two receiver that is not quite on the back nine yet. Lloyd, at 31, started off as a regular receiver, but has transformed his game (with the help of reason 3). He does not have too much tread gone from his tires and can seriously play four or five more effective years.

2) He can stretch the field. He may not be top of the line burst of speed changing guy.   Rather, he is the effective going deep receiver who can run a variety of routes.

3) His relationship with Josh McDaniels has made him a different player. He knows how to be used in a variety of situations and already fits in a system similar to the Patriots, which will decrease the chances of an “OCHO- Learning Curve”. We already know he wants to follow McDaniels if given the chance and won’t break the bank.

A corp of Welker, Lloyd, Branch and a young guy, with the TE’s, will make this team unstoppable.

I could think of several free agents I would take before Lloyd.I would take Bowe,Colston and Jackson all before Lloyd.My latest Mock Draft. 1 Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama 1David Wilson RB Virginia Tech
2Kendall Reyes DL Connecticut 2 Donnie Fletcher CB Boston College 3 Phillip Blake C Baylor
4 Shea McClellin DE Boise St