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Theo Epstein talks decision to join Cubs, Carl Crawford, compensation and all things Red Sox collapse 01.12.12 at 11:15 am ET
By Rob Bradford

Theo Epstein (AP)

Theo Epstein called the Red Sox situation “completely repairable.”

The Cubs president also said regarding Manny Ramirez, “I don’t think it’s a good fit for us.”

And in regard to the Boston Globe piece recapping the collapse, Epstein said, “I thought the piece was totally inappropriate.”

All of the comments were made during the former Red Sox’ general manager’s appearance on the Dennis & Callahan Show Thursday morning. He also talked about the negotiations regarding compensation the Sox might be receiving for his own move to Chicago, John Henry’s claim he wasn’t on board for the Carl Crawford signing, and his take on the Sox’ September collapse.

(To listen to the entire interview, click here.)

REGARDING COMPENSATION ISSUE FOR SWITCHING TEAMS

“I think you have to put it in context. In the history of baseball with all the executives that have changed teams, many of which were on lateral moves, let alone those who left for promotions like I did, throughout the history of baseball there’s really only been a handful of instances where there’s been any compensation whatsoever for executives,” Epstein said. “If you wanted to look at precedent, you’d say, ‘Well, whether I’m worth nothing, or something,’ — you would probably get some opinions on that if you ask your callers — the bottom line is when executives change teams there is no compensation. There have been a handful of instances where there is compensation, and that compensation has been pretty reasonable. If you look when Andy MacPhail, who had won two World Series, left on a lateral move from Minnesota to Chicago back in ’94, his compensation was like the 30th ranked prospect in the Cubs system and a little bit of cash.

“So I think when you say there should be compensation here, there should be because we agreed there should be compensation, so that’s part of the gig. But I think you have to look at history and you have to look at the precedent involved and realize there is not precedent for major, major compensation here. But the bottom line is we need to figure this out, and we will. Both sides are still working on it because it was agreed to and you have to live up to your word. If you agree that there is compensation there has to be compensation, and there should be. You look at precedent as a guide and try to do something that’s appropriate given the more than century-old history of baseball.

“Ben and I have been trying to work it out. I think normally Ben and I could work it out, but there’s just a little bit of a different perspective. The expectations were different at the time. We’re trying to figure something out that makes the Red Sox happy, but also fits with a century of baseball precedent. I can honestly say this one has been turned over and discussed in the media a lot more than it has between the clubs. Ben and I have had five conversations on in the last few months. We’ve gotten close but we haven’t gotten it done. Maybe we’ll need some help to get it done. I want both sides to be happy if possible.”

WHEN HE MADE DECISION TO MOVE ON

“That certainly bothered me, but I think it wasn’t a last-minute decision,” he said when asked about the possible perception he was leaving the organization at a bad time. “It was something I talked about with these guys all year long. Ben Cherington and I had talked about it for years. We had so many lunches where I would take him out and say, ‘Hey, you’re the guy I want to take over and there’s a very good chance the end is coming for me. It’s going to be 10 years with the Red Sox.’ We talked about his development and all the different things he had done in the game but the one or two areas he still need some development time. The last two or three years we specifically we got him a lot of experience in those areas so he would be well-rounded in those areas. It was a bigger picture issue. It really transcended what happened with one month with a baseball club.

“I just put faith in the fact that people who cared about the situation, maybe in the moment, right after September when people were upset, if you took a step back and looked at the totality of the circumstances and look at 10 years of the Red Sox and where we were before I got here and the decade that we had if we were better off now or 10 years ago and the things that I was able to play a small part in contributing to, I think people would take a look at say, ‘He gave us all he had for 10 years. I hope they’d say we were a lot better off than we were before he and the guys he worked with got here and we certainly wish the Red Sox well.’ I certainly wish the Red Sox well. I always the Red Sox well and will always consider myself part of the Red Sox family. I’m just somewhere else right with a new challenge I’m throwing myself into.”

ON JOHN HENRY NOT WANTING TO SIGN CARL CRAWFORD

“When you own the team you can do that, and I think John is an organization-first kind of guy. Those were kind of unique circumstances,” Epstein said. “The bottom line was that’s right. I think John didn’t want to do that one, but everyone else did in the organization. Everyone knew it wasn’t perfect. You don’t set out one day looking to spend that kind of money, but I think where we were, with the core the Red Sox had in place, after acquiring Adrian Gonzalez and having the top three starters, Lester, Beckett and Buchholz, under control, there was a real opportunity to kind of separate the Red Sox talent-wise from the rest of the division for the next four to five years where you would have your core in place and you would be complimenting that core with smaller free agent signings and home-grown players from the farm system.

“John’s right, he didn’t want to do that one, but everyone else did. It’s a sign of a good owner to empower your baseball people and that led to a lot of success over the last decade. It didn’t really bother me.”

ON JOHN LACKEY

“I just think we haven’t seen a healthy John Lackey. I look back, one thing we could do over … obviously the Red Sox added that clause in the contract at the time of the signing to get the extra year for Tommy John, so it was clear there was something less than perfect in the elbow. To do that one over again, we made too much of an assumption he would still pitch up to his capabilities and maybe at some point he would have Tommy John,” Epstein said. “But the reality was that the elbow wasn’t right and it limited his effectiveness. He just wasn’t the same guy. He didn’t have the same feel for his breaking ball, he didn’t have the same finish on his pitches, he didn’t have the same command on his fastball, which is everything for him. He struggled I think because of that, so I’m hopeful when he does return from the Tommy John … getting away this year will be good for him, not only physically but mentally. I think he’ll come back and the Red Sox will see a much more solid rotation pitcher for him.”

ON IF SEPTEMBER COLLAPSE ALTERED HIS DECISION TO LEAVE

“As far as it would have effected people’s futures, I can only speak for myself and I would have still followed through expressing my desire to pursue the opportunity in Chicago because that was a product of 10 years here and wanting to challenge myself in a new environment going forward. That was not a reaction to what happened in September one bit,” he said, referencing the Red Sox’ 7-20 final month of the 2011 regular season.

ON IF TEAM WAS AWARE OF DYSFUNCTION

“We knew something wasn’t right,” he said. “There were all these small flare-ups that were happening that led to some meetings, some team meetings. We encouraged Tito to have a meeting and he did and he wanted to and he did it on his own in Toronto and it didn’t have the effect it usually has. That bothered him, it concerned us. We encouraged the players to have team meetings and they did have multiple (meetings), including one pretty significant one toward the end … maybe the third week of September. We felt that was going to work, it didn’t. Guys, let’s be realistic about this. The losing is what really compounded all of this and brought it all out. When you have a team meeting, a players-only meeting and it seems to go really well and the guys seem to have each other’s back. But then you go out there and you have a three-run lead in the eighth inning and all of a sudden you lose the game it’s hard for that meeting to matter. It’s hard for that unity you’re trying to develop to stick. We just played awful baseball in September.

“I will say this, if we win one or two more games than no one is looking at September, 2011 as this month when an otherwise solid clubhouse became completely dysfunctional and all these accusations. I’ll tell you this, there were other periods that were similar during the last 10 years with the Red Sox. There were periods in 2004 that were just as unproductive and contentious in the clubhouse. But guess what? We were 2 1/2 games out of the wild card in mid-August of 2004 and we got hot and we went 45-11 down the stretch instead of 11-45 or whatever it was this year, and we ended up toasting those idosyncrasies and the personalities and the extra-cirricular activities and became a great bunch of guys. I know the salacious details are good fodder to talk about, and, don’t get me wrong, there were a lot of things that happen and never should happen in the clubhouse, but don’t look past the losing the prime driver of all of this. If we had won a couple more games and gotten hot in the playoffs and won the World Series it would have been such a fun-loving group, all these personalties that came together in the end. It would have read a lot more like 2004. The difference was that we lost our last game and in 2004 we won it.”

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  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZVFM2HRNC5CTO2OUXD4XTX65O4 Dennis

     So in other words, with reference to compensation, he’s not paying anything. I had Theo pegged as a snake from the get-go.

  • UFool

    Snake?!

    For Theo compensation the Red Sox first asked for Starlin Castro, then when they were laughed at, they asked for Garza.

    Like Theo said, he was expecting a prospect and some cash (you know, something realistic), not an All-Star.

  • The Compensation

    Unfortunately, the Red Sox have now BECOME the precedent…going forward teams will either demand a “posting fee” or legit compensation up front….or simply forbid their management people from discussions with other teams, like the Jays did with Farrell. Nobody will want to look this inept.

  • Ljmel

    I won’t take Cherington (or the Red Sox) seriously until they get a reasonable compensation from the Cubs.  Maybe next year’s first round pick would do it?
    I honestly can’t get at all excited about this year……for the first time ever, I think, because they haven’t done anything in the off season, and last year still smells.

  • Anonymous

    uggh.  there is perhaps no precedent for “major, major compensation,” but if the Cubs agreed that there would be “significant” compensation, then that agreement counts more than precedent.

  • WaKe-uP!!!

    Who cares about compensation and some cash to the sox who need some cash and spend it, and this is the same team who had the best record in baseball if you forget about September players move on and so should the “fans” if these guys believe there professionals I wouldn’t put it past them to come out and play .700 ball thru the break, this team is still stacked!

  • Larry Luchino

    They have added character players like Punto and Sweeney…and the main thing is Bailey is a east coast kid who wants to be here while Paps was all about being a free agent while he signed one year contracts every year

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MF3674P3JF4RLMQXQCPV4XZL3E rickp

    I think Theo has his head up his butt.
    He ruined the red sox by depleting the farm system.
    He had nothing to do with winning the 1st world series as it was the team that Duqette had assembled.
    The 2nd world series ring was because of left overs from Duquette and with some additions by Theo.  Basically Theo got lucky on the 2nd ring.
    The boy wonder isnt the wonder you think he is, He will demise the Cubs the same way, if that is possible at all since the Cubs are a pathetic bunch to begin with.
    As for compensation? yes compensation IS due because he walked out on his contract,,
    As for the Crawford signing?  that will go down in history as the biggest Red Sox management blunder since Dice-K.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MF3674P3JF4RLMQXQCPV4XZL3E rickp

    cash compemsation will due because john Henry wants a new yatch.
    lmao

  • Ortiz34renteria16

    I think the chances of the compensation player being a draft pick from the 2011 draft are more likley because a player from that draft needs to be with the team 6 months before he can be moved. I would say this could be the hold up an a player has been agreed upon but my mybe not. I  think we deff should atleast get a good prospect wethar thats Junior Lake or Trey McNutt.

  • D. Delaney

    “He ruined the red sox by depleting the fam system.”
     
    Who built that system?  I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t Dan Duquette.

    “the 2nd world series ring was because of left overs from Duquette and with some additions by Theo.  Basically Theo got lucky on the 2nd ring”

    This is silly. 6 of the 9 position player were acquired after Duquette. And the only member of the pitching staff acquired during the Duquette years was Tim Wakefield.  I guess you believe that the Sox won in 2007 because of four players.
     

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  • joe

    how can i get in toch whit teo  i had some avice to tellhim

  • Affluence

    I can’t agree or disagree with your statement. I will re-evaluate my position if anything develops at a later date.

  • Moneyball

    It’s not what is but what could be.

  • Jacob Kellar

    I’ll tell you why you idiots don’t have any comments to make.  It’s because your squad hasn’t won a bowl since they’ve been able to cheat.  It’s the cold reality.  Although I’m a Hawks fan, and I have nothing to gloat about, NE is going to get pounded by that Buffalo D line.

  • Gray

     So you mean you’re a Jets fan (yawn).. and Sure plenty to Brag about AFC Championship titles arent trash you know.. barely losing 2 superbowls on nothing but luck and a dropped pass? Oh and im sure Camera angles made all the difference in the world.. tired old song from fans of teams that cant even get to the dance.

  • PATSOX

    Bills sign Williams and Anderson and they will still suck. What a waste.

  • Rilawman

    New England is going to get pounded by Buffalo.  I’m sorry didn’t you read the sign, “Stupid people who cheer for teams that suck need not post here.”  I guess you didn’t.

  • Osteama

    Oh, a Hawks fan?  The only thing any Hawks team has ever won was the Blackhawks in 2010, and I’m sure that’s not the team that you’re talking about.  What have those lillies in Seattle ever done?  Nothing but contenders and championships here in Title Town, Jake.  Jealous?

  • Cbolanos07

    Why are you still stucked on the past, we’ve managed to make it to the playoffs consistedly and you act like Patriots were the only one doing it smarta$$. Buffalo still will suck

  • Dano S

    Will Allen a very smart savy corner just what we need.Keep up the great work Pats.

  • Hubsportsman

    mixed emotions

  • Milo

    I liked Anderson, why can’t we keep young players. Go get some more rebuilt players Bill so when we get to the playoffs they are worn out. Ocho!

  • Billy O’Brien

    go hang yourself

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