Kirk, you nailed it 

Carpenter—for the President of Baseball Operations?

Theo went crying to Henry and Henry let him go. 

Kirk,
I just read the headline…. That’s all I need to read.
Guess what? You are wrong.  This issue was governed by the commissioner’s office.  This is not something the red sox had control over!
Get some new fodder.
 

 Wrong…It was handled by the two teams with mediation from the league only AFTER they couldn’t reach an agreement on their own.  Way to sound uneducated though…

Absolutely the Sox management and ownership messed this one up big time. What a freakin’ joke!

Sox management should of stuffed theo in a shoe box until compensation was agreed upon.  What does luchinno and little Ben thing of this compensation?  What a bunch of frauds.  4th place this year boys…180Mil payroll gets us 4th place.

I think MLB had a lot to do with this.  They did not want to set the bar very high for compensation for administrative positions.

Theo leaves a mixed track record?  Really? 

Two world championships = a mixed track record ?

Didn’t realize the Sox were supposed to the second coming of the Celtics dynasty after going a century between championships.

It was handled by the commissioner’s office.  They had to weigh in the fact Epstein was leaving for a higher position.  He went from GM to president.  That is weighed into the decision.  If he left for a sideways or lateral move the compensation would have been greater.  I realize Theo had a stable of Boston writers wrapped around his finger and they did his dirty work/PR for him but let’s stop acting like the organization is now in shambles.  Theo did his best to leave it in shambles.  Very good with the amateur draft.  Excellent.  Not so good with free agency.  They lost some financial flexibility because of his moves.  He took the Yankees approach of throw money at it and if you have to bid against yourself so be it.  He moved 180 degrees from his 2003/2004 philosophy.  That was my gripe with him.  This team is going to score runs.  They will.  If Bucholz did not get hurt last June - Francona is still the manager and they are coming off a playoff year. 

Good to see most Red Sox fans get it. The Red Sox best move was to move on and let MLB handle it. It is what it is. Kirk and most other media are wrong.

Lock Theo in a box? Theo sues sox for breach of contract, how much does that cost the seemingly cash strapped Red Sox. Leave Theo at GM? Do you really want a guy who doesn’t want to be here for a player? Silly

The Red Sox handled this one right. Theo got what he wanted, Red Sox didn’t want him in this situation: what exactly is the beef?

 99.6% chance to win it all.. Nuff said.

Don’t think for a second that Theo didn’t orchestrate this whole thing. He knew the players and that Luchino wanted him out of town,ASAP, Cherington wanted to take over and John Henry was falling down on his yacht. 

This is just a completely ridiculous slam-piece, but that’s really all it was going to be anyway.

If Lucchino had played hardball with the compensation hearings, we’d have to read headlines about Lucchino “holding grudges, being vindictive, wanting to take revenge on Theo… how it would be unprofessional of him to stand in the way of the time honored tradition of letting an executive walk, how he’s an embarrassment to baseball,” yadda, yadda. 

If they let Theo go and gave up most of their negotiating leverage, then it would be… basically this. ‘Red Sox are in shambles, no one communicates, they should have gotten more, Lucchino bungled this, Ben’s a puppet, etc.”Blatant, attempt to shoehorn a story to fit a pre-prescribed narrative and a way to gin up negative sentiment to get clicks because most journalists just aren’t very interesting or good writers. This is awful.

In essence,the Sox screwed themselves big time! The NEW regime needs many lessons in the art of negotiation!!!

The Sox did HAVE control. They weren’t strong enough to hold their position,and that’s why the Commissioners office got involved. THE JUST GAVE UP AND DEFALTED TO THE COMMISSIONER. That’s what I call WEAK!!!

I just love east coast whining. The ownership tried to buy a team; it back fired; so they basically fired Epstein. Move on and don’t worry about whether he is the 12th best player in the system. You could have had Zambrano.

Getting anything for an executive we were ready to let go of is a victory in my mind.  Besides, he moved up in positions.  He was the GM here and nw the President of operation there.  Sounds like a step up to me.  There’s some question as to whether or not we should have gotten anything at all.  Sure, i would have loved to have fleeced the cubs for all it’s worth, but we have to be realistic. With or without Carpenter, we’re a better franchise than we were in October. Unfortunately we’re stuck with a bunch of over paid, over the hill players that Theo signed.  Had he stayed, we could have had more of those types of stupid deals.  It may be tough over the next few years having to eat some of those moronic deals, but eventually it will get better if Charrington sticks with his plan. Just my take.

For what it’s worth, as of this morning Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com ranks Chris
Carpenter eighth on his list of top Red Sox prospects:http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/

Before the compensation decision, Mayo ranked Carpenter ahead of Trey McNutt on the Cubs prospect list.

What compensation was received for the promotions to new teams for Andy MacPhail (in 1994), Jed Hoyer, Jeff Luhnow and Jason McLeod?

The Red
Sox made out well in the compensation.

Tough to hold onto the ball when you’re hands dripping chicken fat…. The Cubs were desperate to get Theo. Sox should have demanded compensation BEFORE he left. I’d write more but I have an 11 o’clock negotiation  with Larry and John. Looks like I’ll get use of the Owner’s Box for all home games in exchange for clearing Fenway of snow for the months of January & February, 2012!

It would be as easy … if not easier … to make the argument that the Cubs came out on the short end of the compensation:

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/7958/cost-was-too-high-for-theo-compensation

All in all, the compensation was probably fair.

Can we flip Carpenter and another PTBNL to the Rays for Andrew Friedman?

I believe the Sox could’ve done a lot better if they didn’t let it ride so long. Sad, but it’s another bad move connected to Theo.

nailed it Kirk
when Lou Piniella went to Tampa from Seattle, the cost was Randy Winn, then Tampa’s #3 hitter
couldn’t the case be made that Theo’s much more valuable than a manager?

Read the entire article next time before you think you are actually educated with this story.

 You’re wrong!! All the Sox had to do was hold on to Theo until they got what they wanted …. They should have never let him walk out the door until they had a deal in hand!! But what do you expect from this new regime? The regime of trade away your two starting short stops with no real replacement?

 Half the folks opining on this feel the commissioner made this “award” to the Sox.  NOT what happened.  The teams themselves agreed to this.  For better or worse.  As for what SHOULD have been compensation…I think people forget this was NOT a sideways move.  Not only was Theo getting a HUGE raise by any estimation…this is a whole different job.  He is NOT the Cub’s GM.  He has the equivalent of Lucchino’s job.  He hired Jed Hoyer to be HIS GM.  So I’m not so sure the Sox would have been right to block the move.  Perhaps legally…but traditionally teams in all pro sports allow their people to leave for a better job.  I do think Theo deserved that consideration if the Red Sox didn’t intend to promote him.

The commissioner’s office DIRECTED the teams to let Theo Move to the Cubs, prior to/with or without any compensation deal being finalized. .. It was a promotion – and the Red Sox were prevented by the Commissioner from standing in its way or delaying it any further.

The commissioner’s office DIRECTED the teams to let Theo Move to the Cubs, prior to/with or without any compensation deal being finalized. .. It was a promotion – and the Red Sox were prevented by the Commissioner from standing in its way or delaying it any further.

Quit your whining Sox fans.  Theo left the sox to become head of baseball baseball operations. An advanced position so why should they get compensated.  Jed Hoyer resigned as GM of San Diego and does a lateral transfer and there is no compensation.  Most sports will allow you to leave for an advanced position so the Sox shoulnd’t get anything. San Diego deserves something for their GM resisgning to become GM of the cubs.

One suspects that Boston’s senior management wanted to be rid of Theo. The compensation deal with the Cubs was immaterial. Seems as if Kirk is advocating a form of involuntary servitude.

BS…I think it’s nothing more than the Sox wanting to just move on…why does everything have to be “cloak and dagger” stuff? Maybe Larry and Ben were simply content to let the guy go and get wahtever it was? Why does anyone, especiallt the author, feel compelled to “think” that more compensation was in order? For the zillionth time, this was not a baseball trade.

Dude…you are dead on…and I just put my 2 cents in…and considering this author, I feel he’s been grinding an axe for awhile now….this wasn’t a baseball trade. last I checked, Theo’s BA was .000….and all these morons who expected Matt Garza? Get a clue…that would NEVER have happened….

I think you’re wrong as well…just my opinion. And it’s got nothing to do with education…

Another Red Sox blunder carried over from 2011. Not a good start.

I think it is STUPID to expect compensation from another team for an excutive from another club.  Its not like a player getting traded.  Its just a regular person changing jobs.  They shouldve had a buy out not a player.  For God sakes…if a person transfers from one Supermarket to the same Supermarket in another state they dont send a worker from the Supermarket to replace him/her.  Come on GET REAL!!!!

The Sox didn’t have control. They had a GM that was in the last year of his contract who clearly wasn’t going to be staying. The Sox asked for the moon when negotiations started, and let’s be honest, there was no way in hell we were ever getting Garza, Castro, Jackson, or even Mcnutt or Szczur. The fact is, there has only been compensation once in league history for a front office person switching teams, and the player we got is far better than what went on in that deal. There was zero chance Selig would have approved a big name going back, because that would set a horrible precedent for the league. The face is we got the most “significant” piece that was REALISTIC.
Not to mention the Sox have a good track record of taking power guys with bad command (Daniel Bard anyone?). The similarities between Bard and Carpenter are uncanny. Both converted starters with horrible command issues, but great velocity and makings of a wipeout slider. They’re both 6’4 215 and have similar motions. Even if the Red Sox can turn him into a Daniel Bard-lite this will be a significant addition, and the most valuable ever in a deal like this.

Who cares?  The Sox received a major league player for a suit.  Let’s not make Theo out to be Billy Beane.  Theo did a great job overall.  He also made many mistakes (i.e. Jenks 2y for 12m) and had the benefit of deep pockets.  If Carpenter can give any quality innings at the major league level it will be a good deal.  Keep moving forward.  Go Sox!  

Theo had 1 YEAR left of his contract with the Red Sox.  1 YEAR! If it had been 10 years and they just won a world series after a team he built from scratch maybe substantial compensation would be in order.  But face it Francona is gone, and Larry wanted Theo gone too.  They wanted to start over with a completely new regime, which didn’t include Theo.  Not only does Boston save money by not paying Theo’s salary this year, they get what they want.  PLUS Carpenter?  I think that’s a good haul.  Not great…..but good.  If it was me I’d give them some beer, fried chicken and maybe the next Madden and call it a day. 

No team EVER got a significant PLAYER for an OFFICE geek, PERIOD.  Terrible article.

I’m a Cubs fan and I can tell you your wrong The Sox Let him go with out the compensation first and at that point the Cubs Brass took over leverage. It was poor negotiations on the sox part to begin with, and the commissioner did everything he could to not make the decision. Face it you guys got Hosed! 

“Your” an idiot (for more than lack of spelling ability)

Get over it!  Red Sox would have given a #1 prospect to the Yankees for George Castanza?

Again who cares, this story is so boring already!  Why would anyone in their right mind want to keep a GM for their team when he clearly had no interest in being here.  Get over it already!!!!

How about we wait to see who the PsTBNL are before we pass final judgement? What if the Red Sox end up with one of the higher draft picks by the Cubs from the 2011 draft?

SO what you wanted Castro and Garza? What are you nuts?

As a Cub fan I could not agree with you more. Tom Ricketts gets off the hook again. Ricketts was desperate for Epstein after a U Tube video of Toms father Joe Ricketts giving a lecture in Omaha,Neb. of what Tom really thinks of the Cubs and their fans. Very embarrassing for Tom Ricketts. He really needed Theo to put out the fire. Boston ownership and front office should have known about this and put the hammer to Ricketts.

Oh, give me a small friggin’ break. You Sox fans apparently only see things through one lens – the Sox lens – and think no one else’s POV matters. Consider:
1)Yes, the Cubs wanted Theo, which you think suddenly gives you overriding leverage. BUT on the other hand, it was clear the Sox did NOT want Epstein – the man had already walked out in a gorilla suit once, there was no talk of a contract extention, it was clear from way over here in the puny midwest that the Theo-Lucchino marriage was rocky – so that gave the Cubs equal and opposite leverage. Lucchino could have held out for something better at the outset, but Ricketts could also have said, see ya next year – walked away, waited for a year (2012 is going to be a throw-away for the Cubs anyways) – then we’d see how well Lucchino and the lame duck Epstein worked for the next year (would have done wonders for club chemsitry and morale, not), and then we’d get Epstein for nothing at all.
2) considering you didn’t want Epstein to begin with (your article is a veritable cornucopia of ambivalence and faint praise), getting anything at all for him - a box of baseballs, Sammy Sosa’s sweaty underarmor – is a bonus. It’s like putting a working TV out on the kerb and then complaining because the guy who picked it up didn’t pay you for it. Just because it’s worth something to the guy picking it up doesn’t mean you must get value for it.

Didn’t you complain about the Pats wasting a pick on Brady ?

Time will tell.

Time will tell.

You would have thought someone in the Red Sox upper echelon would have agreed to compensation before allowing Theo to leave. We would likely have Matt Garza now instead of Chris Carpenter. 8 year olds know enough to ask for when they are getting before giving up their baseball cards, maybe kids could run the Sox afterall.

So what, wait for the league to decide? Potentially get less? The article stated over and over that the Red Sox held the cards. That is far from true. MLB held the all the cards and the Red Sox were smart not to let it go into arbitration.

Let’s wait and see on Carpenter.  Anyone who throws 100 mph may suddenly pull it together and be great.  Remember what Daniel Bard looked like his first couple of seasons in the minors?  Carpenter brings that kind of heat.  Criticizing this acquisition is a bit premature, unless you know something about him that isn’t common knowledge.

First of all Theo left for a HIGHER position in the clubs front office and not a lateral move …
   Yes red sox could have  held out for a higher prospect  ( would never have been  soto, garza castro period )   and effectively  soured any working relationship between the two organizations ..
        Remember  we got AGON  much to the fact that THEO  (red sox)  and  at the time  Jed hoyer (padres GM )  was a  pupil of  Theo  and had a great working relationship and  understanding of our farm system ….
     Does anyone really  think that if and when the cubs trade  GARZA  and if the prospects  offered  are of equal value that  Theo won’t be enticed  by a longtime friendship  and understanding of the red sox  prospects  instead of dealing with the YANKS  etc?

You are exactly right… except…wait… “and another player to be named later”.  Hmmm… Wonder when that will happen-mid-season?… and which reject that will be?  Sox got screwed! This was stupid, but I like coach V.

Does this guy bother proofreading his writing? A third grader can form better sentences!!!

He’s just another guy, the 14th-ranked prospect in a system so lousy that Tom Ricketts had to spend $20 million to being in Theo Epstein to basically start from scratch.

Hey Michael, yes I agree…Theo does not have a “mixed” record…he has left behind a totally miserable legacy.
 
The two tainted championships was the product of PED’s…NOT THEO!  The dynamic duo of Manny & Papi were both proven to have been on steroids through those golden years.  And without those two juicers, the Roid Sox wouldn’t have even made it to the wildcard position, let alone win a championship.  BTW, Damon and Garciaparra where also part of the PED Club.
 
Theo has left us with a group of spoiled, over-paid, under-achieving, whiny primadonna’s, a locker room full of bad attitudes, nasty rumors and back-stabbing, and a nearly busted bankroll that has forced the Sox to go on a “budget”.
 
A bag of used baseballs would have been sufficient compensation for that clown.
 
Good riddance to Theo…the real joke is on the poor Cubbies!

Oh, like the west coast doesnt whine…. all we hear is about the mess the dodgers are in and who is to blame…. get real will ya……..

hilarious – cry me a river.  You guys bash Theo for leaving your system in shambles, plus it was evident that the Lucchino/Epstein song and dance had run its course, and now you cry because he was so “valuable” to you franchise that you feel you were “owed” something.  The man got a promotion.   You guys DID get “significant” compensation – you got a player between the white lines for an indivdual that will never wear a uniform.  Shut up and be happy.

While you point out how easily the Cubs would have caved if the Red Sox held Theo “hostage,” you fail to mention the state of Boston’s front office at the end of last season – remember September?  The Cubs knew they would hold all the leverage if they went after Theo, and they capitalized on it. Its hard to step on someone’s throat when they’re standing over you.  It was never a bad decision on Boston’s part, but instead a good move by the Cubs (these occur about as often as we see Haily’s Comet).  In fact, Cherington was smart to get this deal done – he knew the organization would not have been happy with Bud’s decision. 

Yes, the Cubs got what they wanted – but so did your President.  You made your bed.

Sleep tight. 

Not saying that the Red Sox farm system is not better, but I found it funny that the author rips the Cubs farm system and calls it lousy when Keith Law has the Red Sox farm ranked 18th and the Cubs 20th

when john henry let theo go the sox’s leverage for a top notch prospect or player went with him.  and i’m thinking that larry l couldn’t care less if people said he was being mean to the boy wonder by not letting him go until compensation was resolved. given larry’s reputation, it had to be henry letting him go. thanks

Sox management choked on this one badly! This is basically what the Cubs did. Everyone out there try this. Go to a bank and ask them for a loan of a million dollars. But, tell them “I will pay you back whatever and whenever I want”. See if they go for it!! That’s what happened. Theo should have sat around doing absolutely nothing with the Cubs until the deal was done. The compensation would have been much better and would have been done many months ago. This kinda reminds me of dealings with Iraq. We are going to come in to look for weapons of mass destruction, BUT we won’t do anything for months and months. Destroy them, hide them, do whatever you want. And guess what, nothing was found. This whole thing was a frigging joke!! 

Sorry Rob, you are wrong.  What Kirk is saying is we never should have let him go without first having the compensation.  The commissioner’s office only came in after the deal had been made, and after the Cubs started balking on the compensation issue.  The commissioner could not have made the Red Sox release Theo from his contract. 

Well they have to go some to beat the Danny Cater for Sparky Lyle deal with the Yankees.
The Sox traded Sparky, who went on to a Hall-of-Fame career, for Danny Cater and a player to be named later. Later on the Yankees asked for their player-to-be-named-later and the Red Sox gave them back Cater. The Yankees got Lyle for nothing. 

Epstein is the main reason they won the two championships. No doubt about it.
Thanks Theo. 
Back to Red Sox the same nitwit top management that plagued them for 85 years or whatever. 

As usual the idiot “miniman” has spewed his unwanted bile yet again. Why doesn’t somebody geti him off the “blog”, and let someone w/at least 1/2 a brain step in for him??

Sorry man…u got hosed with that fraud Epstein. He inherited that 2004 team outside of Schilling…guy was given a blank checkbook for years and f’ed it up. So many horrible FA signings, contracts…J.D. Drew, Cameron, the list goes on and on. Team is crippled due to his idiotness with Lackey/ Crawford etc. etc. In my view he won 1 WS with a pocketbook 2nd only to the Yankees….you can have him, most overrated GM in baseball.

Don’t forget Dice-K!!!

It was so much fun watching all of the red sox fans yapping about how they have the leverage and are going to get Garza, Castro etc and they were going to dump Lackey in exchange for Epstein.  Quite humorous.

Wow, we are definitely not better than the Rays, Yankees, Angels, Phillies, Texas, and will be hard pressed to beat the Nationals, Reds,  and Braves. A lot of teams got a lot better this season. We did not . Remember we finished 3rd in the American League East, two years in a row.  An awful lot has to go right for us to improve on that. An awful lot has to go right for us to maintain that.  There are far too many ifs to say, I give it a 50/50 chance of making the playoffs.  I think this season we work at getting our players healthy for next year and then filling in the holes with next years free agents, which looks a lot better than this years.

Theo Inepstein screwed Red Sox again and left them unable to get good players thanks to his huge contracts that are a percentage of a billion dollars each for players who are horrible.

^^^ It was governed by the commisioner’s office because the Sox let Theo walk and had no leverage in settling on compensation you dink. The commissioner had to mediate at that point.

Hey Dan, do you work in he front office? You’re wrong big guy, just wrong. Get a clue.

Yeah and so what? Why get all sentimental over Theo leaving? Sox have’t won anything in four years. Yeah the championships were great but the Sox had a serious chance to improve the team. If Luccino had a chance to stomp on the Cubs’ and Theo’s dick and demand a high value player/prospect in return, he should have held out no matter what. It’s business never personal.

Hey Patty-O, we got hosed???? Must be nice Cubs fan, haven’t won anything in like 300 years. Hahahahahahaahahah.

Not true, the Yankees gave up Danny Cater and a player to be named later in exchange for Sparky Lyle, the Yankees later sent Mario Guerrero to complete the trade. A few years later Sparky was traded to the Rangers for Dave Righetti (well and a bunch of other players from both sides).

Do you want a trade similar to the one you invented there? Only this one was real:Yankees sent Brian Bruney to the Nationals for a player to be named later, the Nationals then selected Jamie Hoffman from the Dodgers as a rule-5 draft pick; a rule-5 draftee HAS to be put in the 25 man roster, that is, he has to be all season long in the majors with the team that drafts him, this restrictions are passed to the team that acquires a draft-5 via trade. Tha Yankees received Hoffman but did not have a spot for him so by rule that player is returned to the team he was drafted from.

In the end the Yankees traded Bruney for a draft-5 that had to be returned and they only received $25,000 dlls (because the team that drafts pays $50,000 and if they want to return him they only get half).

WOW… a former subordinate of Theo helped him? WOOW… well, also remember how Hoyer gave him Adrián González from the Padres for a bunch of unproven kids, the best of them, Rizzo, was a disaster in the majors. Later one, the Padres allowed Hoyer to go to Theo’s arms with the Cubs, and the first move Byrnes, the new Padres GM and former subordinate of Theo did was… to send them Rizzo because Jed Hoyer insists that he will be a superstar. And now Cherington fails to extort Theo and Hoyer? LMAO!

My condolences to you for being a Cubs fan!  Do not expect a World Series Title any time soon.

great article and right on. Ben is a lightweight

Get over it boston. you got what you got.and kirk if you would have won last year theo would have been the man.but you didn’t .and he left so now he wasn’t very good?plus why should comp. be given for a promotion? be thankful you got anything.plus all your front office had to do was say you can’t interview Theo, then it would have been over. but no you guys want to blame theo for your crappy sept. where it looks like everyhone dropped the ball.

Just as in any trade the participants should have decided who would be involved prior to making the deal.  Both sides would now look much better in the eyes of he public and the players.  Luccino should have handled this transaction and not put Ben in an awkward position right off the bat.

WAAAAAA! kwityerbitchin..

Thank you for your article.  It is an excellent example of the entitled, whiny, nonsense, that the rest of the country has come to associate with Boston sports writers.

If Lary Loco hadn’t been such a crybaby, this would have been over much sooner. If Epstein was so valuable, they should have told the Cubs he wasn’t available when they came calling. If he was that valuable, then why were they looking to send him out the door? The Red Sox had no leverage in this because this was all about sour grapes. Be happy the Red Sox got a serviceable MLB player. It’s more than they deserved.

That is one funny article. He is probably going to make the 25 man roster this year. I, for one, would call that significant.

Cub fan here. I must agree. Theo being announced as an employee BEFORE the compensation issue was resolved was, well, for a lack of a better word, stupid.
It SCREAMED ” I will gladly pay you tomorrow for a hamburger today”
If I was the FO in Boston, I would have been keenly aware of the desire of the Cubs to secure Theo, and I would have said, ” We want Brett Jackson and that’s the price, period” Not, “Hey, you can have him and we’ll figure it all out later.”
Epic fail……
 

Sour grapes. Luchhino promised something he had no chance of delivering, and you bought it like an idiot. Your fault for believing the crazed rantings of a scorned lover.

Your tears bring me joy.

How does this differ from a player about to become a free agent or without arbitration years left. Their value is less.

This is such nonsense. Who were you expecting? Brett Jackson? Garza? Castro?? All three would be ridiculous. There was no precedent, whatsoever, of giving up anything more than a mid-teens-ranked prospect with a high ceiling. Get over it and stop whining.
-Cubs Fan

ps, in the business world, when someone leaves a company for a promotion at a new company, the former doesn’t get compensation.

Your comments are spot on bruinman! This article is silly whining & completely lacks objectivity! Hey, the Cubs paid the $3MM+ bonus that was due to Epstein from the Sox plus gave up a decent, power arm prospect … all for a guy (Epstein) they were trying to run out of town! Move on Minihane … Sheesh!

If Theo was so terrible you should probably have given the cubs a high ranking prospect from the Red Sox organization to get rid of him. 

Keith Law’s prospect rankings are consistently off year after year. There are far better sources out there for prospect ranking, and they all have a much larger gap between teams, most having the Red Sox in the 10-12 range with the Cubs in the 18-22 range. The Red Sox system is far and away better than the Cubs system, it’s really not close.

What do you think that you’re going to get for a guy that is ( here’s the main thing… wait for it… ) getting a PROMOTION? Normally when there is a promotion involved, you’re lucky if you get anything. You got a guy that was probably a little too much for someone that will never face a pitcher. The ONLY reason that Boston is pissed is because Lucchino was pissed about Epstein leaving without Lucchino being the guy that fired him. I get the impression, and I know you will correct me if I’m wrong, that Lucchino is sort of a jerk ( and I’m being kind with that word ) and somewhat of a control freak. Just be happy with Carpenter and your PTBNL and worry about the Yankees. The Cubs won’t bother you guys for at least a couple of more years, and then you’ll be able to complain about not getting the guy that shows best against the Red Sox.  

Really?!  Randy Winn?!  3 hitter!  HaHa.  TB sucked back then, that’s like being the smartest kid w/ downs syndrome!

The reason I used Keith Law was because he has stated many times that he is very bearish on many of the Cubs top prospects. I was not trying to imply that the Cubs system was better by any means, but that a system ranked 18-22 is not necessary lousy like the author claims. The author implies that after the top 3 or 4 prospects the Cubs have nothing, which is not true. Most prospect rankings claim that the Cubs system has good depth, but it lack a lot of impact players at the higher levels.  

Not only could Theo have sued for breach of contract but the Cubs could have hired Cherington (who could not have been promoted to GM while the Sox still had Theo).   

Kirk, your article is wrong in many ways.  This was way more compesation than prior precedants.  And is more signifgant than anyone with knowledge should have allowed.  Carpenter was way too much compensation for the Red Sox.  Theo had one year left on his contract, and Larry L. wanted him out.  The Cubs did a favor for the Sox, and saved them another year with a lame duck GM. 

wher did you get that info from,the ownership did try to buy a team and they did,the only problem is it was a soccer team!thats where all ther money and mindset has been ever since!!!

your exactly right!!

you did get it 100% correct RED SOX should have just held on to Theo until they worked out the deal that is usually how it works  why they let him sign before the deal was done is beyond comprehension    the RED SOX should have gotten a top Major league picher or outfielder   MATT GARZA  was my choice   The RED SOX look totally STUPID IN THIS DEAL

My apologies I misinterpreted the point you were trying to make. I definitely agree that their farm system isn’t as bad as people make it out to be, I mean it’s not great, but they have a lot of intriguing players further down in the system. Their farm system is very similar to the Sox in that they both lack top tier close to the majors talent, but have a lot of depth and players with project-ability that can shoot up the charts in the coming years.

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