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Bobby Valentine said leaving Justin Thomas in ‘just a dumb move’ 04.10.12 at 11:38 pm ET
By Rob Bradford

Bobby Valentine. (AP)

TORONTO — After his team’s 7-3 loss to the Blue Jays Tuesday, Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine was clearly beating himself up more than any of his club’s previous three defeats.

The reason?

With nobody out in the sixth inning, and the Blue Jays holding a 3-1 lead, Valentine chose to take out starter Daniel Bard with runners on first and third, bringing in lefty Justin Thomas. The idea was for Thomas to face left-handed hitting Eric Thames, then potentially walk righty J.P. Arencibia if Thames was retired, getting to lefty hitting Colby Rasmus. But a problem developed.

Thomas walked Thames — a career .209 hitter against southpaws. That’s when a problem arose for Valentine.

The Sox skipper decided to leave Thomas in to face Arencibia with the hope of a changeup getting the catcher to ground into a double play. The alternative would have been to bring in Matt Albers, whose sinker would have seemingly been the go-to pitch in such a situation. The result was Arencibia hitting 3-1 fastball into center field for a two-run single.

“Just a dumb move,” Valentine said of the decision.

Later he added, “I don’t like being dumb. I like doing what I’m supposed to do.”

He elaborated …

“I should have brought in Albers with the bases loaded, it might have been still a 3-1 game,” Valentine said. “We get a great ground ball there and maybe we would have won that game.

“I didn’t know [Thomas] well enough. I thought he would get a changup and maybe the changeup would be just as good as the sinker. He got a changeup, hit it off the end of the bat and blooped it into center field.”

“You go with the sinker, try and get the ground ball, or go with the changeup, and he hit the changeup off the end of the bat. I just felt right there I should have gone the other way. I was hoping. I don’t like to hope. I was actually thinking he was going to get the left-hander out, I was going to be able to walk Arencibia, have him go after the left-hander, but the walk kind of through the thing into another action plan. So the changeup looked like it was working to the left-hander. If he got it down it would have been a ground ball, but he got it up.”

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  • http://twitter.com/jetsjets1028 joe lepianka

    shouldve also never allowed bard who making his 1st mlb start come out for 6th after going 5 innings and long wait.. bobby ur good manager but had rough inning managing the pitchers

  • http://www.facebook.com/phattymatty83 Matt DelNegro

    Gotta admit, every camera shot of Bobby during the games, he either looks worried or lost.
    I need more than 2 hands to count the amount of times so far that a ground ball should have been caught, but players were out of position because Bobby is calling the positioning instead of the bench coach. Speaking of ground balls, Pedroia isn’t doing his little hop during the pitches anymore, and he’s been just out of reach of some grounders because of it.

  • Anonymous

    Thomas is a LOOGY.  No way he stays in the game after walking Thames.  Albers comes in at that point.  If you wanted a lefty to go the full inning, then you should have had Morales up and ready.  He could have pitched to Thames, Arencibia and Rasmus, plus he has that dynamite pickoff move that will at least keep that trailing runner hanging close to first base.  Glad your second guessing this, Bobby.  There’s a learning curve.

  • Hesher

    You know what i kind of agree with you on Bobby V…..Like the other day having Ortiz steal a base, It’s as if Bobby V is trying to do a bunch of unconventional thing’s so that everyone says WOW look how much of a genius he is IF it works, So far it’s not really working.

  • qtrback

    Spring training is when the learning curve should happen not the regular season.

  • Frank Abbott

    Let’s see…they could only manage a few scattered hits against a #5 starter (or almost any starter so far), 2nd inning and runners on 1st & 2nd so Ross looks a 2 strikes over the outside corner because he “likes the ball in” then makes a rusty-gate swing at one head high out of the zone;  2 on and 1 out and Youk makes a limp wristed swing for a DP;   for eight innings a game getting runs is something the other team does against a largely non-performing pitching staff.  I don’t know how anyone could attribute this to bad managing.

  • Fenian

    all things being equal…Youk cost us that game…first he grounds into the double play…and then he pratically WALKS to third base when that ball was hit…if he hustles…Punto makes the throw there easy…and this whole situation NEVER occurs…

    within the span of 5 minutes he let the team down on both sides of the ball…I love Youk…but he should have been prepared to run to 3rd in case of a hard hit ball…

  • Not impressed

    The dumb move Bobby was insisting on carrying Thomas on the roster to begin with. With Bailey out you were already going to be carrying one reliever who wouldn’t have made the team otherwise to replace him. Adding an 8th guy, basically 2 spots behind what otherwise would have made the team, thinking quantity would equal quality was dumb. Thomas has no business being on a major league roster. Just because he’s a lefty doesn’t mean he’s effective against left handed hitters. He showed that last night.

  • Izzie Nutz

    Saltalamacchia has passed through both the Mendoza Line and the Men Dozing line….

  • Midolo1

    Albers would have given up a home run !

  • Anonymous

    First you don’t know if the bench coach would be positioning players any differently than the Manager so know way to know if that is the cause of so many balls getting through the infield.  Second I would love to know how you have concluded that about Pedroia.  Centerfield camera angle most used doesn’t show the second baseman and there aren’t that many replays that show him before the pitch either.  So are you focusing on it while at games?

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