I remember when they traded 4 V-Mart, Bard and Buckholder were so happy that Masterson was one of the pitchers sent to the Tribe instead of them.  Both are so far gone that only perennial bottom feeder teams would take them now.

Don’t be so sure of that….they surely don’t have the value to bring what they could have a few years ago but that doesn’t mean they don’t have value.
These two are both still very young and their problems exist more between their ears than in their arms.

A kid who can throw 100 mph and a former CY Young Award Winner in his 20′s will ALWAYS have value.

EDIT: My mistake. Clay never won the Cy Young. He finished 17-7 with a 2.30 ERA but didn’t finish in the top 5 for voting. As Clemens would say, “I misremembered”.

I’m sorry but who is this former Cy Young winner you’re reffering to?

who is the cy young winner?

THe trouble is that Bard does not hit 100 anymore…he’s in the low 90′s with no control and an arsenal that consists of two pitches.

…ahh forget it.  If you don’t think every single team in baseball would want Buchholz and Bard right now, your a fool and I don’t have the time or patience to educate you why.  

so you were reffering to Buchholz? damn when did i miss his cy young season? that sucks i woulda liked to have seen that…

i don’t think we are the ones who need the educating, sir.

…and seeing as how Bard currently can’t cut in in AAA, I think “every single team” might be a little hesitant to take him… unless you mean “every single AA team”… then you might be accurate.

damn, CJ Wilson sounds like a very nice person. Why didn’t the Sox go get him again? Oh that’s right, the Red Sox don’t like to sign people that are nice and hard working.

Don’t be such a d-bag.  I realized my mistake and edited the original post to reflect that, although it has nothing to do with the point of what we’re talking about.  You’re obviously have some negative agenda to push so have at it.  I’m sure there’s a spelling mistake in here somewhere you can harp on.

Really??  You really think any team out there wouldn’t covet a player with Bard’s talent given his production the past two years and his age?  If you are going to be purposefully stupid in your analysis then there is no real point of debating this with you.  Clearly you have no real agenda other than to hate.

Alright man whatever you say. You felt the need to call us all fools and speak down to us common folk, so sorry if I felt the need to straighten that out. And yes, I really don’t think teams are coveting a broken pitcher whose own team doesn’t want him at the moment.

I’m not saying he won’t be good again, and that he won’t have value again. Right now he is just not a commadity, he is a project. Plain and simple. I’m sorry if that’s to complicated for you.

And thanks for exposing my hidden message board agenda. I’ve been lurking, just waiting for you to say something stupid… fortunately I didn’t have to wait long.

Did anyone else know we needed “agendas” here? ‘Cause i’ve just been screwin around. I didn’t know it was that official nad whatnot.

Ed, I gotta disagree with you.  Bard’s problems aren’t in his head.  He just doesn’t have the pitch arsenal to be a starter.  Yes, he has two plus pitches, but a starter needs at least three to be successful.  He is a prototypical late-inning reliever until he develops that third pitch.  Look at Verlander…yes, he has plus-plus speed on his fastball, but his secondary pitches are what makes him so successful.  Otherwise, hitters would just load up and wait for the fastball.

I called one poster a fool for making such a blatantly obnoxious comment just to be negative.  You saw that, and felt obliged to call me out on a semantic that really didn’t make a difference to the overall point.  Why is it so important to continuously sew discontent and negativity within Red Sox nation?  Why would you even comment on my comment? You weren’t even involved in the conversation.  I’m sorry if I exposed you as the troll you are…I’m sure you post coherent, logical posts ALL THE TIME!

Well if i had to choose an “agenda” for myself, it would be to rip those that rip others for no reason. Someone stated their opinion, you called them a fool.

Who here is the discontent sewing troll, again?

On a side not, I’d like to thank Jesus here for keeping me entertained at work all day.

Good show, sir.

HAHAHAHHAHA….ok.  I guess we just have a fundamental disagreement.  I happen to believe that not all opinions are equal and not all opinions are credible.  I can’t stand that everyone thinks their opinion has worth.  It doesn’t.  Fighting stupidity and ignorance from spreading isn’t trolling.  Trolling is when you go out of your way to comment negatively about someone or something, just to be negative.  I.E., the definition of what you’re doing.  No go ahead, point me to a reasonable post by you…I’m sure there is plenty to choose from.

…and I”m leaving work.  Done with this “conversation”.  Later hater.

Well I believe I was perfectly reasonable in asking about your first post, which you fixed, end of story. I give back what i recieve my friend. You spewed douche-bagggery bcause you can’t handle people pointing out your mistakes, so you recieve equal douche-baggery in return.

And that is a very intelligent and forward-thinking opinion from you. I’m glad I wasn’t wrong to interpret your posts as examples of your unchecked ego and all around unpleasantness.

I’m also glad you value my opinion so highly that despite saying you didn’t have the time or patience to educateo us “fools”, you have spent hours waxing moronic with me.

I’m truly touched that you hold me in such high regard.

Bard’s got nothing more to lose. Anything that would get his stuff back to the big leagues in any capacity, starter, set-up, closer, would be a plus .  Nice of CJ to offer his time to a risky endeavor. Wish Bard the best.

I was kind of surprised theybwere not interested in him either. Young Ben overestimated the starting pitching and did notngo after anyone except Cook and Olendorf, big mistake Ben or Larry or whoever made that call.

CJj Wilson is not a “nice person”.
He is an arrogant, cocky, narcissistic prima donna. He is uber focused on himself and very little else.
He is also a horrifyingly bad pitcher in the post season.
I am so very glad he is no longer a Ranger.
The Angels deserve every mediocre start they get from him.
Go Rangers!

Knicks missing Chandler and Stoudemire, too

Celtics are essentially missing 3 starters and their 6th man in Sullinger(who had just been elevated to starter over Bass before his injury) so no excuses just facts. No question Knicks are better right now but let’s see what happens if they meet in the playoffs.

This team is for shitz……

with or without there injuries players the team suck no heart and an awful GM and a coach that’s pathetic the Celtics

will
be bad for a long time the team.that Rivers and Ainge put together is a bunch of players that no other team wanted and even with healthy players they were getting destroyed Terry Pierce Garnet need to retire Rivers is afraid of them

Shut your trap you loser….Go push your agenda elsewhere because we are sick of reading your diarrhea.

And if it were you on the court, you’d have had a skid mark a mile long in your britches loser…like you know anything about “heart”…time for your warm bath…

We are back to stark reality now that KG also is out… Like it or not, without Rondo we cannot thrive and be among leagues best. Rondo brings a lot to the table when he plays even if there are flaws. We won without Rajon mainly because opposing teams had no idea about how to play Cs…plus Lee, Green, and all stepped up their play. But now all our enemies know how to harass us on the ball. Look at all the TOs. And Bradley has come down to earth too. Still no idea why Doc can’t play Randolph or DJ a bit more.