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Sources: Red Sox contemplate drastic overhaul in blockbuster with Dodgers 08.24.12 at 8:00 pm ET
By Alex Speier

Adrian Gonzalez

It’s no secret: In a 12-month span from December 2009 to December 2010, the Red Sox made a series of calculated, high-risk gambles meant to secure a championship core for the long haul, only to see their bets blow up in spectacular fashion.

In December 2009, the team signed John Lackey to a five-year, $82.5 million deal through 2014. That was followed by a four-year, $68 million extension in April 2010 that secured the services of Josh Beckett through 2014. The following offseason, after the Sox missed the playoffs, the team traded for first baseman Adrian Gonzalez and agreed to the parameters of a seven-year, $154 million extension (on top of his $6.3 million salary in 2011) that would keep him in Boston through 2018. And, finally, the Sox signed free agent Carl Crawford to a seven-year, $142 million contract at the December 2010 winter meetings, with the deal running from 2011-17.

For a time, it appeared that the Sox had set themselves up for the long haul. But when the team fell apart last September, missing the playoffs by a game — following a 2011 season in which Crawford and Lackey (who required Tommy John surgery) had performed poorly, and in which Beckett had been viewed as a central culprit in a clubhouse that fell apart, those deals started to look ominous, particularly given all that followed in 2012.

Beckett has had numerous health issues (thumb, lat, shoulder back) while going 5-11 with a 5.23 ERA. Multiple talent evaluators believed that he was unmovable — at least unless the Sox agreed to pick up much (perhaps the majority) of the remaining money owed to him — in a trade. He is owed approximately $34 million over the next two-plus years. As a player with 10/5 rights (10 years in the majors, five with the Red Sox), he would have to approve a trade or a waiver claim.

According to multiple industry sources, the Red Sox and Dodgers have been discussing a deal that would involve sending Gonzalez, Crawford, Beckett and infielder Nick Punto to Los Angeles in exchange for first baseman James Loney and minor leaguers. According to one of those sources, the Red Sox would pick up “very close” to $10 million of the remaining money owed to the four Red Sox players (approximately $270 million).

News of the framework for the potential blockbuster was first reported by Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com (via twitter).

Gonzalez is in the first full year of a seven-year, $154 million deal. He is hitting .300 with a .343 OBP, .469 slugging mark, .812 OPS and 15 homers this year, a marked decline from his first year in Boston, when he hit .338/.410/.548/.947 with 27 homers and 117 RBI in 2011.

Crawford is in the second season of a seven-year, $142 million deal. He underwent Tommy John surgery for his torn ulnar collateral ligament in his left elbow after hitting .282/.306/.479/.795 in 31 games.

Beckett is in the second year of a four-year, $68 million deal. The 32-year-old Beckett has struggled to a 5-11 record and 5.23 ERA in 21 starts this year. He’s had a number of health issues that have caused him to miss starts, including a thumb condition that required a cortisone shot coming out of spring training, minor lat stiffness that led to his being skipped in a start in early May, shoulder inflammation that resulted in his placement on the DL in June and, most recently, back spasms that caused a start to be postponed earlier this month. That said, he is also one year removed from a season where he had a 2.89 ERA, and a Red Sox source recently said that the team did not plan to give the right-hander away for nothing.

Punto is in the first year of a two-year, $3 million deal signed this past offseason. In 65 games, he’s hitting .200/.301/.272/.573 as a role player who has served as a backup at all four infield positions.

Loney, 28, will be a free agent after this season. The 28-year-old is hitting .254 with a .302 OBP, .344 slugging mark and .646 OPS along with four homers in 114 games. But presumably, the Red Sox would free enough cash in the transaction to pursue a free agent at the position in the offseason.

According to a major league source, the Red Sox would get Loney (who was scratched from the Dodgers lineup against the Marlins) as well as prospects Allen Webster, Rubby De La Rosa, Ivan De Jesus and Jerry Sands as well as perhaps one other prospect in a deal.

Webster, 22, and De La Rosa, 23, are the prizes. Webster, ranked the No. 95 prospect in the game by Baseball America entering this year, is 6-8 with a 3.55 ERA, 8.7 strikeouts and 4.2 walks per nine with Double-A Chattanooga. Baseball America said that he compared in some respects to Derek Lowe while offering the following scouting report:

“Webster shows plus pitches across the board when he has everything working. He has an easy delivery and 90-95 mph fastball that peaks at 97 mph with plenty of sink, helping him generate grounders all day long. He throws both a slider and curveball that are plus pitches at times, though at others he gets caught between the two. He has some trouble staying on top of his curve but it shows sharp three-quarters bite when it’s on. Webster’s changeup could be his best pitch, featuring sink and fade at 79-83 mph, though some scouts think he tips it off by slowing his arm speed.”

De La Rosa has had recent health issues but possesses considerable upside. In 13 games (10 starts) last year, he was 4-5 with a 3.71 ERA, 8.9 strikeouts and 4.6 walks per nine innings. He’s a small right-hander with a big arm, having been clocked at over 100 mph in the past. He is coming back off of Tommy John surgery.

DeJesus has hit .231/.282/.277/.559 in 40 big league games over the last two years. Baseball America describes him as a potential second baseman who can also play third and short with a line drive swing and good on-base skills. The 2005 second-rounder is a career .297/.369/.389/.758 hitter in the minors.

Sands, 24, is hitting .244/.325/.376/.701 in 70 big league games over the last two years. He was hitting .303/.380/.531/.911 with 24 homers in the hitter-friendly Triple-A Pacific Coast League this year.

Meanwhile, the Sox are not believed to be offering any prospects in a potential deal.

Jon Paul Morosi of FoxSports.com (via twitter) adds that the deal is “close” and would involve some cash going from the Red Sox to the Dodgers.

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  • MJB1967

    how many different ways are there to spell AWESOME!!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/Zj_6 Zack Jones

    Again; Holy sh.t

  • Bubba

    If this falls through it’s gonna break my heart. 

  • derF

    I’ll spring for the chicken & beer for everyone if this trade happens!

  • Spitfire1064

    Yessssss!!!

  • Spitfire1064

    I would just like to thank god!!!

  • Linda Austin

    This is where Ben and Larry settle all family (Theo) business.

    Mega props to the Sox if they can pull this off.

    The Sox future looks VEEEERY bright all of a sudden.

  • dmd30

    Why is this so good??? What am I missing? We get a bunch of scrubs for players everyone was so excited to get.

  • Crixus

    I hope the Sox don’t fall into the same trap by signing Jacoby to a mega-deal! Jacoby is a Scott Boras client and will demand max dollars for past performance.

  • EarlSweatshirt

    In what way?  To be fair, I kinda like this trade, but…

    All this accomplishes is freeing up money.  The two pitching prospects are intriguing, but chances are De La Rosa flames out and Webster is a serviceable 4th/5th starter.  The Red Sox basically just got salary relief, and no matter how you feel about Beckett and Crawford, Gonzalez is a real talent.  They downgraded in talent without any MLB ready talent to take their spot next year.  I hope this is the start of a full rebuild, but all this does is give ownership some money.  If they decide to pursue a bunch of FA’s or sign stop gap guys and pretend to be contenders in 2013 this is a huge fail of a trade on every level.

  • Slede

    What are the Dodgers smokin?

  • Anonymous

    They want Gonzo.

  • Nighttrain75

    love to dump beckett, don’t mind losing crawford, but i hate to see gonzalez go. have a feeling that all three will destroy it with the dodgers and we are left with nothing. those prospects, like loney, are garbage

  • veryexcited

    im a sox fan..please take them!!

  • Cccn98

    To late. This should have been done during the 2011 off season. Go PATRIOTS !!

  • brad9449

    sell the team off like they did to the marlins

  • Anonymous

     It is all about the money. Forget the spin about now we can rebuild and go back to player development, which is code for we will suck of many years. Any team that hires Valentine to manage has their head up their collective butts. They will not develop any  players.  Who do they have now in the pipeline? See any pitchers. Oh yeah, we have Kalish and his multiple injuries. Lavarnway has gone backwards, and they will not bring up Jose. Henry and company are about the money and are com artist. Larry is their bag and hit man. Valentine is their court jester.

  • Doug

    Just get this done, I’ll be so happy to see Beckett gone, pluse A-Gon won’t have to answer all the dumb gossip questions the Boston Media Hounds him with. He’ll be happier in his home state, these Red Sox fans can really turn on you. Hopefully Carl will also be happy, I wish him the best, Punt is nearing the end of a career, he is a solid citizen who is very versatile.

  • Doug

    RSN is Jekyll & Hyde, one minute for you, one minute against you!

  • Doug

    No, his performance has fallen badly, no matter how much Boras trys to extort he won’t be successful unless Jacoby gets good once again. and this looks unlikely.

  • Mrs. Nesbitt

    Think the owners decided A-Gon can’t hit AL pitching, at least not to the tune they were paying him.   He has Youk stats at Teixiera salary.   

  • Anonymous

    All these soon to be gone red sox players need a change, and the Dodgers will pay but they will do well in this trade. It would be nice if the Sox could get Andre Either.

  • Anonymous

    All these soon to be gone red sox players need a change, and the Dodgers will pay but they will do well in this trade. It would be nice if the Sox could get Andre Either.

  • Jka58

    This trade is pathetic unless we get Clayton Kershaw

  • Anonymous

    Billy Bean next BOSOX GM!

  • Iliyamass

    jacoby was on peds last year doubt he’ll put up numbers like that on any year thats not a contract year

  • Iliyamass

    even with the rest of the garbage leaving town i hate to lose gonzo and get virtually nothing

  • Bielawski82

    It’s not as much about trading for talent as it is just dumping bad
    contracts.  If Boston got absolutely nothing in return, they’re still gonna be better off…

  • Todd472

    im sorry but if this deal gets done i think the cubs have a better shot of making the playoffs then the sox in the near future…..dumping payroll by getting rid of gonzo or crawford is not the answer!! if lackey worked out and or if they signed a front line starter in the off season none of this would b an issue! hence the 09 yankees they kept the team and signed cc and aj and won! if anyone remembers mlb and espn both said at the start of the season the same thing…… the sox DO NOT have any starting pitching!! As we all know you cant slug your way to a title just ask texas fans! just sayin….

  • Martin

    People seem to forget this alleged trade hinges on 1. Beckett agreeing to waive his 10/5 rights and 2. Each of the players mentioned clearing waivers. The trade deadline has passed so players have to clear waivers before being traded. You think any National League team fighting for a playoff birth won’t pick up at least one of these players on waivers to stop the Dodgers from getting them?

  • John Smith III

    Don’t let the door hit you on your way out of town. Good riddance.

  • Hadmills

    To address Martin’s previous post…Gonzalez AND Beckett were claimed by LA. Perhaps a strategic move by the Red Sox, most likely LL Cool Lucchino’s idea, since you can only post two waiver guys per day.
    Good thinking on the Red Sox part to throw CC into the deal since he has and will underperform to his contract…that signing was a head scratched as much as the Lackey signing…good luck to LA taking CC contract…that’s why no other waiver claims…Tommy John surgery etc. And Punto already passed waivers as has CC…anyway, I love this move!!!,If only Lackey was included as well!!!

  • redsoxfan45

    What other NL team would risk having to take on any of the following saleries, if they claimed the player:
    1. AGon $20+ million per year
    2. CCrawford $20 million per year
    3. Beckett 14.5 million per year
    3. The Shredder 1.5 million year…

    If you claim Punto, Sox will just let him go to claiming team. Then they will save 1.5 million and replace Punto with money to LA…

    It’s clearly about AG, JB, an CC…

  • redsoxfan45

    Hey Iliamass, Not sure why you think Ellsbury was on PEDS last year…oh, btw moron, last year was NOT a contract year for him. And he’s never had a contract year…so what is your point???

  • redsoxfan45

    Hmmm…Beckett will waive his 10/5 rights. He said publicly that if someone or a team doesn’t want him around, he doesn’t want to be here. Plus the beer and chicken is better in the Dodged clubhouse!

  • You Big Dummy

    Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that since AGon’s contract when into effect he has just become a good 1st baseman and not the “Great” 1st baseman he was last year. I think the he is another player who can’t handle the pressure of the big contract in Boston. The sad thing is it looks like the player we had is probably going to be a very good 1st baseman. Rizzo just needed a little more time to develop. Now he’s in Chicago with Theo making rookie wages and under team control for the next 6 years. 

  • WaitUntil2015

    This trade makes can be transformational for the Red Sox as long as they address their chain of command issues throughout their organization. This includes getting rid of BobbyV and his guys.

  • mr. peanut

    josh hamilton next

  • Linda Austin

    Beckett is the small piece in this deal. If Beckett says no (he won’t) they’ll tinker with the deal and still get it done.  

  • Teddygoogs

    Love some of you”fans” who already know what they are getting back is bad. 2 guys that throw 97 with few walks and are 22 and 23. HMMMM sounds like pitching to me. Lets say they have 4 era that is better than Beckett, Cook ETC. Ben was bold lets give the guy credit. I dont think he is done. wait till the offseason. Here is hoping we can “trade” for john farrell.

  • Anonymous

    Yeaaa baby..let’s unload.

  • ThinkBeforeTweet

    Yeah, because these guys are worth a 24 year old stud coming off a Cy Young with team control for 3 more years at minimal salary. Hmmmm 21-5 248Ks 2.27 ERA and 0.99 WHIP last year and this year on pace for 14-9, 228Ks 2.86 ERA and 0.99 WHIP. Yeah keep dreaming. 

  • ThinkBeforeTweet

    While I don’t like seeing A-Gon going, the reality is that in order to unload Crawford and Beckett you have to give him up or another value (leaves Pedroia or Middlebrooks). 

    Keep in mind that since the ASB, A-Gon has led all of MLB in RBIs, and while everyone wants the “Powah”, take a look at guys above him with 86 RBIs. Adam Dunn has powah, 38 HRs and 87 RBIs with his .205 BA. There are only 5 guys in all of MLB with more RBIs than A-Gone, one of them is Prince Fielder (9 years, $214M makes 7 years, $156 look small). 

    Fielder –  66 Runs, 22 HRs, 89 RBIs, .304 BA, .508 SLG, .403 OBP (sick)
    A-Gone – 63 Runs, 15 HRs, 86 RBIs, .301 BA, .469 SLG, .343 OBP

    Side note, Fielder has the Miguel Cabrera (MVP Candidate 83-32-106 .324) next to him in the line-up, what does A-Gone have? While you’re not going to like this, look for Ellsbury to be moved either now (cleared waivers) or in the off-season with Lackey. That will be tougher because Ellsbury can walk after next year, but there may be a team willing to take that risk. At a minimum, maybe he can bring back a more ready prospect that Webster or De La Rossa. I really wish the Sox could have found a way to pry SS Dee Gordon from the Dodgers. Prior to getting hurt in July, he led MLB in SBs but was having issues with hitting above .220, while in the minors he hit above .320 at each level. What concerns me is getting enough pieces back that can be packaged for value elsewhere. I look at what Oakland got back for Gio Gonzalez (who is Cy Young candidate for Nationals) and Trevor Cahill and they were able to truly start rebuilding – it also helped with PED Colon and moving a oft-injuried RP for a 4th OF that would lead his former team in HRs. 

  • Mrs. Nesbitt

    Next for the blockbuster…Lackey for John Farrell

  • acrossalloceans

    On paper its a downgrade. But there is a huge difference between players who are talented and players who have the ability to come through when needed. Gonzo had a great season last year. But that had a slow start and this year had an even slower start. He’s not the clutch guy you would hope for. Beckett had been a train wreck this year, and hasnt had much success over the past few years but theyve pushed through hoping he could regain his 07 form. But who knows if that will ever happen. Especially in a town that has demonized him in the media and made it very hard on him. Crawford is an unknown due to injury. Its a shame but its just kindof the way the cards were dealt. And Punto is hit or miss. He did great things for the Cards but doesnt seem to have it in Boston.

    Overall is a downgrade in talent on paper. Just like the team was toted the great team ever (on paper). You can say theyre talented all you wanted, but unless the produce, their past numbers dont show for much after awhile. The guys who are consistently good are the ones I consider truly talented.

    So a more flexible payroll, a bunch of younger players coming in, the prospect of a real change in the atmosphere of the clubhouse. Overall it just seems like a good thing for both sides. The Sox rebuild and restructure while the Dodgers get some players who could push them into the playoff and contribute in a different setting.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZVFM2HRNC5CTO2OUXD4XTX65O4 Dennis

     There’s talk this morning that Beckett may want an extension to approve the trade. If that’s the case, and the deal falls through, the Sox should belt him into a seat in the bullpen and forget about him. 

  • Kevin

    WTF freeing up money is a plus. getting rid of Beckett is good, crawford leaving won’t make me loose sleep. but gonzo is great and money is an underachieving scrubino.
    scratching my quickly balding head

  • Cmummery

    This shows just how little this team thinks things through it sure would be nice to have youk to play first right now

  • Cmummery

    This shows just how little this team thinks things through it sure would be nice to have youk to play first right now

  • The Bark

     This is a VERY GOOD TRADE.  Beckett HAD to go and had zero value.  Losing Gonzo is the cost of moving Beckett.   Scouts compare Webster to Derek Lowe who was much better than a 4th/5th starter in his day. 

  • The Bark

     You could not be more wrong.  This is a FANTASTIC trade.  What exactly did you expect back for dumping Beckett and Crawford? 

  • The Bark

     Gonzo is a very good baseball player but clearly one of those players who simply doesn’t care about winning.  He’s in it for the $$….period.    And he simply was the price to pay to move Beckett and Crawford.   In my opinion, a completely necessary and very good deal for the Sox.

  • The Bark

     No, nobody else will claim them cuz then they could get stuck with the player AND THE $$, that’s the key. 

  • The Bark

     No, nobody else will claim them cuz then they could get stuck with the player AND THE $$, that’s the key. 

  • The Bark

    That’s been brought up but not so sure about that one.  He’s gonna want Gonzo $$ and as an addict he could fall off the wagon at any time.  Love the player but not sure that’s the direction they’re gonna go.   Apparently he really likes it in Texas too. 

  • Vega Abi

    Lmaoooo.. wait so red sux nation is happy about this trade? Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaa… you will now suck for 5 years straight at least… while the empire cruises along in first place! Oh an Eli owns Tom Brady!!! Hahahahahaaaaaa…

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