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Scout that helped lead Daisuke Matsuzaka to Red Sox reflects on pitcher’s career in Boston 10.03.12 at 9:45 am ET
By Rob Bradford

Daisuke Matsuzaka

NEW YORK — Daisuke Matsuzaka‘s entrance was a firestorm. Gyro-ball. Six pitches. Massive media following. Teammates and coaches taking classes to learn Japanese.

His likely exit, well, that’s another story.

Matsuzaka most likely will be pitching his final game in a Red Sox uniform Wednesday night, completing a six-year career that started with a wave of historic fanfare. But now, thanks to injuries and lack of production, the pitcher’s perceived swan song couldn’t be any more anticlimatic. (Unless, of course, you’re the Orioles and need a Sox win to stay alive in the division race.)

“The whole thing has gone so quick, I think,” Red Sox Pacific Rim scouting coordinator Jon Deeble said by phone early Wednesday morning. “It sort of snuck up on us.”

While Deeble is halfway across the world, Matsuzaka’s start against the Yankees does signify a defining moment for the Sox scout. He was, after all, one of the chief components in leading the righty to the Red Sox, having followed Matsuzaka’s career from his early high school days.

And while a six-year stint with the Red Sox hasn’t lived up to expectations — Matsuzaka has gone 50-36 with a 4.47 ERA in 116 appearances — the pitcher always will stand out in Deeble’s mind.

Along with former international scouting director Craig Shipley, it was Deeble who helped lead the Red Sox to the point where they could out-bid the rest of baseball for Matsuzaka via a six-year deal worth $103 million (including a $51,111,111 posting fee.).

“I saw him pitch a lot for Japan. I saw him pitch in high school. So there was a long history,” the longtime scout said. “He did log a lot of innings, but he was the star of Japanese baseball for a long time.

“I thought he was one of the better pitchers in the world, internationally,” said Deeble, who also helped deliver Junichi Tazawa to the Red Sox. “He sat at 96-97 [mph] at the Athens Olympics. The good hitters, I would ask them the question, ‘What’s the stuff like?’ We had guys coming back and saying, ‘This guy is unhittable.’ ”

Matsuzaka had his moments. He finished fourth in the 2008 Cy Young voting after going 18-3 with a 2.90 ERA and major league-best .211 batting average against. The year before, he won 15 games while pitching 204 2/3 innings, going on to win Game 7 of the American League Championship Series.

But even when the pitcher was going good, there seemed to be a level of discomfort. The organization battled to have Matsuzaka pound the strike zone more, pitching to contact instead of nibbling on the corners. (He had the second-most walks of any American League pitcher in his first 4½ seasons.)

But besides any uneasiness regarding the pitcher’s routine, or a drop in velocity, Deeble did notice a significant difference in the pitcher he watched emerge as one of the best in the world.

“He was one of the best I’ve seen,” Deeble said. “I saw him sitting at 94-96 consistently, year in and year out. The one thing I saw in Japan was that he had a really good split. In fact, I thought one of his best pitches was his split. I’m not sure that translated in America. That had to do with the [larger] ball a lot, I would think. I noticed early on he would take a lot of time taking the shine off the ball, rubbing the ball. I think that was a big factor, not seeing the split he had, because I believe that was probably his best pitch.”

As Matsuzaka heads into free agency this offseason, it’s still difficult to decipher what his future holds. Despite continuing struggles — as has been evidenced by a 1-6 mark and 7.68 ERA since returning from Tommy John surgery — there are some who feel it would be worth trying to see if the 32-year-old can find some of his old panache.

Count Deeble in as one of those optimists.

“I think he’s going to come back and if he has a good offseason, I think he’s still going to have some value, if not with us, with somebody else,” the scout said of Matsuzaka, who has battled a neck problem since returning from Tommy John surgery. “I sort of put him in the category of where [fellow Tommy John patient] Tazawa was in spring training. Just knowing him, and knowing the competitor he is, I think he’s an able major league pitcher somewhere. I would love to see him stay pitching with us.”

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  • Anonymous

    While I have to restrain myself from gouging my eyes out during some of his starts, the lack of talent to replace him makes me want to give it another try.  He could be a solid #4 or 5 in any rotation. 

  • Anonymous

    Dice-K will end up pitching on the West Coast most likely, for a NL team. Probably the best place for him. 

    I have never seen anyone put more people on base, load the bases and still manage to get out of if after throwing about a million pitches an inning. Honestly Dice-K has a knack unlike anyone else in history for making baseball longer and more boring. Good riddance. 

    I will admit, at first I thought this was going to be a great signing, and the first two seasons were not awful but did not meet my expectations, then he disappeared into the Red Sox Injury black hole. 

  • SOXSUK-GOYANKS!!!

    HE AIN’T DONE YET!!!!!! SIGN HIM TO AN A-ROD TYPE DEAL!!!! BWAHHAAHAHHAAAA!!!!!

  • Mbone

    “The one thing I saw in Japan was that he had a really good split. In fact, I thought one of his best pitches was his split. I’m not sure that translated in America. hat had to do with the (larger) ball a lot, I would think. I noticed early on he would take a lot of time taking the shine off the ball, rubbing the ball. I think that was a big factor, not seeing the split he had, because I believe that was probably his best pitch.”

    Are you kidding me?  This is the lead SCOUT for the Sox and he makes a comment like that?  He didn’t realize a larger ball would affect his split(or any other pitch for that matter).  Comical.

  • old milton

    Deeble your signing recommendation wasn’t  crazy but going forward??  That’s just stubborn

  • breandan

    Anyone in the Red Sox organisation who thinks bringing Matsuzaka back would be a good idea should be fired instantly. 

  • 2loose

    For the right price I’d give him a chance since he’s still coming back from TJ surgery.
    But some NL club will probably offer a ridiculous contract After all, before shutting down, he didn’t look bad against NL teams.Remember fans…PITCHING, PITCHING,PITCHING!

  • SOXSUK-GOYANKS!!!

    LMAO!!!! GOOD ONE!!!! BWAHHHAAAAAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • SOXSUK-GOYANKS!!!

    HI, MY NAME IS ROBBIE VALENTINE AND I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY SIGN MATSUSUKA TO A LONG TERM DEAL. I SAY WE SHOULD SIGN HIM TO A 5-75 DEAL AT LEAST!!!! BWAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!

  • Hub

    Dice K needs to be part of the house cleaning that will be necessary this off season in order for this team to move forward in a positive direction.

  • Alphadog9

    Seattle

  • Mertel Beech

    Give it up pleeeeez!  Dicey K is a useless player that Sox fans hope they never see on the hill next year unless with another uniform and then maybe the Sox will win a game next season. However,the word around MLB is that nobody is interested in extra garbage.

  • Hawkmans cousin

    Oh and I’m sure you get all the inside words around MLB. You must work for a MLB front office, what with your amazing use of sentences and calling people garbage. Although I’ll give you this , you have probably as many good sources as most of the writers covering this team for the past year or so…

  • enough is enough

    send back to Japan with Bobby

  • AL34

    A 100 million dollars later, the difference in ball size might have been an important fact to bring up before the Red Sox signed him and paidbthat rediculous amount ofbmoneybfor a 4th or 5th starter who cannot make it out ofbthe 5th inning.
    Even his two seasons of “supposed success” in 2007 and 2008 were frustrating to watch him pitch in and out of trouble with high pitch counts and men on base. Complete bust.

  • OY

    Don’t let the door hit you on the way out….arrivaderci …

  • bzman888

    He should join the Cubs.  After all, he’s a Wonderboy All Star, together with Clement, Renteria, Lugo, Lackey, A Gonzo, Camaron, etc.  That’s a line-up that could easily beat these current Sox, in the loss column that is.  Try 120 losses.

  • bzman888

    Thanks to god you don’t own the Sox.  I rather see Zach Steward get lit up than watch this Japanese National Treasure performing water torture!

  • Fibber McGee

    Another one of Theo’s  hideous free agent signings.  Renteria, Lugo, Lackey, Drew, Crawford, Gonzalez,  Crisp, Gonyea.  Good luck Cubbies.

  • Rich Algeni

    First, cut Matsuzaka before tonights game. Second, fire Deeble right now!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_27YX3UPEU6GPY3XWOHCXI7EZ3Y Louie L.

    apparently you have to get japanese pitchers young, like with tazawa. that way they can get used to the bigger ball, and to the culture like any foreign player. i agree that his contract was the beginning of the end of theo’s philosophy, along with cameron and jenks and crawford and lackey. i don’t count drew’s deal because he performed for most of it and never really blocked anyone; it wasn’t a bad contract at all,  though it wasn’t a good one either. anyway, good riddance to dice K, i hope ben cherington learns the lesson.

  • DAPATS

    Sayounara…….

  • http://twitter.com/Chopper_Concord Mitch Cumstein

    FIRE Jon Deeble!

  • LarryfromNewburyport

    So glad that the Dice-K experiment is over! I always said that unless he was the Japanese equivalent to Pedro which is what he was built up to be that the experiment would fail and it did! Japan is the minor leagues of American major league baseball ,i have always said that…..

  • http://twitter.com/Chopper_Concord Mitch Cumstein

    I don’t care if they sign Aaron Cook again I do not EVER want to see DiceK pitch in Fenway Park again. The guy is at best a Triple A pitcher.

  • http://twitter.com/Chopper_Concord Mitch Cumstein

    And he has none of it, none of it, none of it.

  • Slede

    Sayonara

  • Bla142

    Love the crankme fan!!! They think they are going to go far in the playoffs!!!  They will be in the same situation in the coming years with those bloated contracts BWAHHHAAHAHHAAAA!!!!!!

  • i still believe

    the reason why Dice-K is able to throw so many pitches is because in Japan they dont really have a pitch count.  those guys are use to throwing hundreds of pitches a week sometimes up to 200 pitches a day. and that could just be a bull-pen session. it takes a special pitcher to make the transition from Japan to America.  unfortunately Dice-K did not have it. 

  • Anonymous

    I think Daisuke ate to much cream-of-sum-yung-guy.

  • anguillaman3

    One good year out 5…..almost always a painful painful experience watching MR GYRO pitch…he was not as advertised by the THEO group..but they got it wrong most of the time.  Sadly..next year looks to be no better at this point.

  • sev

    Wasn’t the ball.  He progressively seemed to get worse, even when taking injuries into account.  The baseball wasn’t a problem when he dominated the world baseball classic in 06(Asian countries received the diff baseballs only a month or 2 before hand) before joining the sox as well as the 2009 classic.  I understand he didn’t go deep into games and put a lot of runners on, but that was his style and he was effective for those first two years, as well as an important part of the sox success(so he wasn’t a total bust).  If he initially had success with a ball he was unfamiliar with(relatively) you would naturally expect him to have even more success the longer he used the ball.  I think with hitters becoming familiar, overuse of his arm(pitching a lot of innings in Japan as well as his strenuous pitching routine on off days), and attempting to change his style, all lead to his career going down hill.  When they tried to change his style, even if he went back to his old ways years later, his confidence had already taken a big hit, and injuries obviously didn’t help.  I figured after tommy john he was going to return to the pitcher he was the 1st two years, especially with the assumption that he would be highly motivated to regain the respect and admiration the people of Japan once gave him.  I thought(and maybe he was) he would want to remind MLB and Japan that Yu Darvish wasn’t the only great Japanese pitcher, but maybe he needed that extra year after TJ that most pitchers do.  Thats one of the few reasons why I wouldn’t want to see him leave Boston, because I get the feeling that he will succeed after his 2nd season of TJ.  Look at Tazawa.  Who knows maybe Boston can get him for REAL cheap, as he may want to prove to the sox fans that he can pitch(diff cultural mindset).  

  • Nastyfoot

    Nice in depth explanation, but 6 years and $100+ million dollars later I think is enough proof that this did not work out. Time to move on. I’d rather see them spend money like that with proven ability who has an addiction problem. Dice K was the single biggest blunder yet of this ownership group, hands down. $100 mil. could have gotten some really decent players

  • http://twitter.com/A369M AM

    no one ever mentions the fav that the sox made the posting fee back through merch/tv deals in japan

  • Sox fan in L.A.

    Crawl back in Your hole moron!

  • Fan Since ’77

    You are right on, brother!!!

  • Mike

    That’s the problem with our scouts. This guy wants dice k back!! Now wonder the pitching staff sucks!! Fire all of our scouts and start over. 

  • Mike

    No they didn’t shut up. 

  • Mike

    The only ownership in the world that spends over 100 million on a Japanese guy with zero big league experience.  Knowing this ownerships, they did it to improve their image in Japan

  • Rickrox11

    cumstein you are a clown, fire deeble, you seem to forget he was responsable for okajima tazawa atchison, 2 of our best pitchers this year, he should be made GM

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