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Ben Cherington on trading a starting pitcher: ‘We have to be open-minded’ 12.01.12 at 12:09 pm ET
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Ben Cherington discussed the flexibility the Red Sox face in constructing a rotation for 2013. (AP)

In the past, it is the sort of conversation that would never happen with the Red Sox. The idea of trading a front-of-the-rotation starter who is in his prime, with a track record of considerable success, healthy, affordable and under team control for multiple years? There wasn’t a point to the Red Sox discussing such players, and other teams never bothered to engage the Sox about them.

Now, after a 69-93 2012 season, the world looks different. The Sox already showed a willingness to make the type of trade that they never would have considered in the past in August, when they dealt Adrian Gonzalez, Josh Beckett and Carl Crawford to the Dodgers in one colossal reshaping of the team’s roster and payroll. And so now, perhaps, it should come as little surprise that the team is at least in a position where it has to consider discussing anyone in the rotation in a potential trade, including a pitcher like 28-year-old Jon Lester.

That’s not to say that the team is eager to let Lester go. But if there’s a team that’s willing to consider offering a potentially massive asset — someone like, for instance, Royals outfielder (and Baseball America Minor League Player of the Year) Wil Myers, then the Sox are in a position to listen.

GM Ben Cherington has said that the Sox are looking to add a fifth starter via trade or free agency to a group that already includes Lester, Clay Buchholz, Felix Doubront and John Lackey. But, Cherington acknowledged on Saturday at the Christmas at Fenway event, he won’t rule out the possibility of dealing one of those four pitchers, thus creating a need to add two starters this winter.

“Anything is possible, but certainly it’s harder to do that, to subtract somebody from the rotation,” said Cherington. “We have a number of players that teams like. We’re in a perhaps different situation than we have been in the past coming off the year we did. Maybe in light of that, teams not surprisingly are inquiring about things that maybe they wouldn’t have in the past. Look, we have to be open-minded; we lost 93 games. But our primary focus is to build the best team we can for 2013 and one that doesn’t in any way get in the way of a great team for a long time. That’s our focus, and that will guide us for the next several weeks. But you’ve got to be open-minded when you have a year like this, and we’re trying to build a team that will sustain a level of success over a long period of time.”

Cherington repeated a theme he’s brought up on a number of occasions this winter. Asked what profile of starter the team is looking to add right now (in a world where it has the aforementioned four starters), he declined to commit to whether the team wanted a pitcher who profiles as a No. 1 or No. 5 starter.

“I think generally [the rotation] needs to improve. The core of the rotation wasn’t good enough last year. I think the combination of the entire group, we need to get improved performance, and as I said before, I think that will mostly come from the guys that are already here,” said Cherington. “That will make a bigger difference than anything else we add, likely. And so, in terms of the order, I guess the way I see it, once the season starts and you get into the schedule and someone’s taking the ball every day, I’m not sure the order matters much. We need guys that, every time they take the ball, give us a chance to win. That didn’t happen enough last year.”

That said, he added that he still feels that Lester and Buchholz can profile as the proverbial top-of-the-rotation pitchers.

“They have in the past and have done that for consistent periods of time in the past, and we’re counting on them to do that going forward,” he said.

Still, that doesn’t rule the Red Sox out from making an aggressive play for other pitchers who might fit that category. That, in turn, marks a change of the Sox’ means from a year ago.

In 2011, Cherington was upfront in saying that the Sox were likely to remain on the sidelines in the bidding for pitchers like Yu Darvish and C.J. Wilson and Mark Buehrle, given the lack of financial flexibility that the club had and the fact that the team had already made huge commitments to its rotation. This year, the Sox have tens of millions of dollars that they can potentially channel towards the 2013 team, and with Daisuke Matsuzaka and Beckett now off the books, the team can push considerable resources towards the rotation.

As a result, the team has the ability to play for the top offseason targets — pitchers like Zack Greinke and Anibal Sanchez. Still, Cherington cautioned that the team won’t necessarily jump into the deep end of long-term megadeals just because it has the means to do so.

“I think certainly we have more flexibility this offseason, so it allows you to consider things that we probably couldn’t have last year. With every guy, we go through the exercise in drawing the line on where we would go, and many times, that line is below where it ends up going. So, that sort of instructs us,” he said. “I wouldn’t rule anything out categorically. We just want to find ways to improve the team, the rotation. We’re working on a lot of ways to do that. Generally, I think every team would say they prefer shorter-term deals to longer-term deals. I think that’s any team’s preference. You know, the guys that have been the most consistent performers and healthiest and have done that, they’ve earned a fair amount of leverage and have earned the right to get significant guaranteed dollars. If you want to add that type of player to your team, then sometimes you have to step up and do that. It’s just case by case, and we’re still going through the process of trying to find who the right fits are there for us.”

Cherington said that Rubby De La Rosa, acquired in the Dodgers trade, is being considered as a starting pitching option, and the team expects him to contribute at the big league level in that capacity in 2013. However, as he’s working his way back from Tommy John surgery (which he underwent in 2011), the team isn’t sure precisely when he will be able to contribute in the big leagues.

“He’ll be in a starter’s role in spring training and we’ll bring him along. Obviously coming off a year where he didn’t pitch a lot, we’ll probably take it a little bit slow,” said Cherington. “He’s out in Arizona working out. A couple guys saw him working out last week. He’s getting into really good shape. He’s a guy that is a big part of our future. We want to make sure we handle the first few weeks and first few months of our experience with him the right way, bring him along the right way. We envision him as a starter and that’s the way he’ll be treated in spring training. … [When he can contribute next year] will be determined later on, spring training or during the season, but he’s a guy that we could certainly see helping us in 2013.”

That, in turn, means that De La Rosa will not be treated as the answer to the fifth starter’s spot for the start of next year given the uncertainty about his timetable. Still, his presence (along with that of a number of talented minor leaguers, such as Allen Webster, Drake Britton, Brandon Workman, Matt Barnes and others) could influence the profile of starting pitcher that the Sox pursue, and the team’s relative willingness (or unwillingness) to hand out long-term deals of more than four years along the lines of what Greinke and Sanchez are seeking.

Cherington also said that the team will wait until later in the offseason to make a determination about the 2013 role of Alfredo Aceves, who was tendered a contract on Friday.

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  • http://twitter.com/Zj_6 Zack Jones

    the problem is there aren’t many impact starting pitchers available. So we really have to hope Buch and doubront and lester really perform. But if somebody like Wil Meyers is available for Lester, then do it.

  • Tonyfranco

    The most interesting pitcher that is available, albeit at a very steep price in prospects and/or MLB players, is David Price.  He is now or will be too expensive for the Rays.  His next contract will likely be the highest for any pitcher….EVER!

    He’s 26, thrown 200+ innings in each of the last 3 years, thrived in the AL East, ERA during that period is under 3.00.  AND I think he is getting better.

    As far as the point of the article, I agree that the Red Sox have to consider trading Lester, or even Bucholz depending upon what they can get back.  I’ve always said, NO ONE is untouchable.

    • Rac Sliders’ abacus

      That’s a nice idea but I doubt rather hightly that he would be traded within the A.L. east, certainly not to a “rival”, inter division trades are a most rare occurence in baseball especially now that there is a greater sense of competitive balance..nice idea though, just quite unlikely.

      • Tonyfranco

        I completely agree.  If the Red Sox were to acquire him, it would during free agency down the road.  Top free agent pitchers don’t come cheap and they tend to be bad deals in the long run.  I don’t see the Red Sox pursuing any of these pitchers in future years.  I’m not sure that I disagree with that philosophy.  If anything, the premium talent may be worth it, but don’t settle for 2nd tier guys.  In other words, Greinke for $100M is fine.  But the Sanchez is NOT worth $75M just because he is little less desirable.  He is worth closer to $3/$50.

  • Tonyfranco

    It’s funny how short-term our, and by that I mean MY memory is.  I have forgotten how consistent Lester has been and how much of an outlier 2012 was.

    24: 2008: 33 GS, 210 IP, 3.21 ERA, 1.274 WHIP
    25: 2009: 32 GS, 203 IP, 3.41 ERA, 1.230 WHIP
    26: 2010: 32 GS, 208 IP, 3.25 ERA, 1.202 WHIP
    27: 2011: 31 GS, 192 IP, 3.47 ERA, 1.257 WHIP
    28: 2012: 31 GS, 205 IP, 4.82 ERA, 1.383 WHIP

    Okay, which of these seasons are unlike the others?  The problem is that it is his most recent season.

    • Brian

       If you looked closer, you’d see Lester’s K rate and velocity drop three straight seasons.  He’s been in clear decline for a while now, if he’s able to rebound in 2013 it would be a big turnaround.

    • http://twitter.com/Zj_6 Zack Jones

      He’s shown a dropping number of strikeouts and velocity in the last few years. Those numbers don’t tell the whole story 

    • Old Time Hockey

      He also I believe had the 1st or 2nd highest winning percentage ever for a sp with so many starts(not sure how many) to start a career. How quickly we forget. One bad year(almost all pitchers have one including Verlander,Lee, Halladay to name a few and the guy is washed up and a bum. Lester will return to normal this year and that will be the biggest off season move!!!

  • Fed up

    Cherington is in over his head.

    • Tonyfranco

      Why do you say that?  Other than Upton and the Blue Jays / Marlins trade (a trade I am happy the Red Sox did not make), what other big free agents or trades have occurred?

      Greinke – still free agent
      Hamilton – still free agent
      Sanchez – still free agent
      Laroche – still free agent
      Napoli – still free agent
      Drew – still free agent
      Bourn – still free agent
      Swisher – still free agent
      Dempster – still free agent
      Dickey – hasn’t been traded yet
      Jackson – still free agent
      Soriano – still free agent

      Still way too early to make an assessment like that.  If anything, the most important acquisition was made early on and that was to fire Valentine and get Farrell back here.

      • Ggtroy

        Excellent point about the transition to Farrell, and moving on from the univrrsal negativity of 2012, which had to do with Valentine and his issues with coaches and players, but also with a historic level of injuries, the hangover from September and the subsequent purge, the Punto trade.

        The reality is that Lester and Buchholz have a
        track record of performance as good as or
        better than anyone available, with the possible exception of Greinke. Trading one of them hurts, not helps, the teams primary shortfall, which is SP. Offense isn’t the issue, especially with Napoli and C.Ross, for example, added to the lineup; and more especially with Bogaerts, Bradley, Brentz, Sands so close to ready.

        • http://twitter.com/Zj_6 Zack Jones

          Offense is an issue. They traded Gonzalez and showed ZERO patience at the plate last year. BTW they have not signed ross or napoli yet

        • Rac Sliders’ abacus

          That’s well said, but one has to remember some pitchers begin to decline and the best plans and futurecasting of fans and G.M ‘s often go astray. The real problem is and has been pitching for the past 2(dare I say 3) seasons. For some reason or another this group of guys hasn’t been able to put it together.Now that we’ve blown up our offense and sweeping a new culture(and really are’nt hoping for much anymore let’s face it) it might be time to dangle one of these guys and reboot. No mattter how you slice it this pitching staff has cost two managers their jobs. Farrell can’t counted on (Never mind he’s the manager not the pitching coach) and it might be time to break up the gang, before the decline is irreversible..

  • Anonymous

    You never trade good pitching for a bat. 

    • Old Time Hockey

      never? do you trade Lester for Trout? Lester for Harper? Myers is the next great one. maybe. haha

  • Dano S

    Sox should not put all there eggs in one basket as I think stay away from Josh Hamilton.Sox Pedictions 53.0
    Sox trade Pedro Ciriaco,Felix Doubront and Alfredo Aceves to Pittsburgh for Garrett Jones 1B and Closer Joel
    Hanrahan.Free Agents to be signed.edwin Jackson,Brett Myers,Nick Swisher,Cody Ross,Joe Saunders and Stephen Drew.

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