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Right pitcher at the right price: Why Ryan Dempster was a good fit for the Red Sox 12.13.12 at 12:01 pm ET
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Ryan Dempster

The Red Sox entered the offseason in need of at least one additional starter. But while sifting through options, sticker shock — whether in prospects or dollars/years — seemed a likely outcome.

That being the case, the Sox ended up pleasantly surprised to add right-hander Ryan Dempster — one of the more reliable pitchers on the market, and one who won’t cost the team a draft pick — for just two years, albeit on a top-of-the-market rate of $26.5 million ($13.25 million per year). The deal (first reported by Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports and confirmed by multiple industry sources) does not include any options.

At 35, Dempster represents something of a risk as he’s at a stage in his career when performance decline and/or diminished durability become concerns. Even so, the fact that he was open to a two-year deal and didn’t require a draft pick moved Dempster to the front of the line in terms of the pitchers whom the Sox wanted.

After all, Zack Greinke was clearly going to cost more in dollars and years than the team would consider a reasonable investment, particularly given that he never expressed any enthusiasm for Boston. The team might have been interested in Anibal Sanchez — the 28-year-old Tigers right-hander who, because he was traded in the middle of the 2012 season, could not receive a one-year qualifying offer from Detroit and thus would not cost a draft pick — but upon making the determination that he would get more than four years, the team’s enthusiasm for him vanished, particularly given that he has never delivered as many as 200 innings in a season and that his 3.72 ERA over the last four years was in no small part a product of playing in a tremendous pitcher’s park. Kyle Lohse will probably receive more than two years, and he’ll cost the team that signs him a draft pick. Edwin Jackson will likely command more than two years; at the least, if he’s going to settle for a one- or two-year deal, it won’t be until late in the offseason that he’d sign, so the team would run the risk of being shut out of a promising short-term deal if it passed on Dempster.

An industry source said last week that the Red Sox have expressed interest in the veteran, who was 12-8 with a 3.38 ERA in 173 innings in 2012 with the Cubs and Rangers, though he went 7-3 with a 5.09 ERA after Texas acquired him at the trade deadline. Though 35, Dempster has been durable with a strong track record since moving from the bullpen to the rotation with the Cubs in 2008. Over the last five years, he’s averaged 199 innings a year (2012, in fact, was the first time in that span during which he’d failed to log 200 innings) with a 65-49 record and 3.74 ERA.

Dempster is 3-1 with a 4.02 ERA in his career against the Sox, including 2-0 with 13 2/3 shutout innings in two starts against Boston (one while with the Cubs, another with the Rangers) last year. He was also dominant in a start against Baltimore last year, allowing one run in eight innings en route to a victory, but got hammered by the Yankees for eight runs in six innings in a loss. In five career starts in New York, he’s 0-4 with a 7.62 ERA, though given that three of those starts took place more than a decade ago, it’s fair to ask the degree to which that career line is salient.

Even so, there are questions about how Dempster will fare in his transition from the National League to the AL, particularly given that his ERA more than doubled, from 2.25 with the Cubs to 5.09 with the Rangers, after he relocated at the trade deadline.

One major league source suggested that the Sox should — and likely do — have “modest expectations” for the veteran, describing him as the best option available on a relatively short-term deal that permits the team to minimize risk, rather than a true impact starter who can transform a rotation.

“He’ll carve up weaker lineups and will be a positive clubhouse guy,” said the source. “[But it's] hard to expect much against the deeper lineups and I don’t think [the Sox] do.”

However, one of Dempster’s former teammates is bullish on his potential with the Sox.

“Dempster would be a GREAT addition to that clubhouse,” left-hander Rich Hill, Dempster’s teammate in Chicago from 2005-08 who pitched in Boston over the last three years, wrote in a text. “One of the best teammates I have played with!”

“No doubt that he would do extremely well in the East,” Hill added. “I look at how guys bounce back from outings that did not go so well and he does a great job of that. He has only gotten better as time has gone on. Also, playing in a city like Boston brings everyone’s game to their peak level. There is no question his stuff will play!”

Dempster’s track record of consistency bears mention. His 3.74 ERA over the last five seasons ranks 25th in the majors among pitchers who have averaged at least 150 innings per year — not far off of Jon Lester (3.63, 21st), and just ahead of Matt Garza (3.74, 26th), James Shields (3.79, 27th), Mark Buehrle (3.85, 28th) and Lohse (3.90, 32nd).

Given that Shields (and Wade Davis) just netted the Rays three top prospects from the Royals, including Wil Myers, that Buehrle will receive $48 million over the next three years from the Blue Jays (and also contributed to the prospect haul Miami netted for Buehrle, Josh Johnson and Jose Reyes) and that Lohse is in line for a multi-year deal as a free agent and will also come at the cost of a draft pick, the appeal of Dempster on a short-term deal seems evident.

Moreover, while Dempster’s experience with the Rangers raises questions about his ability to perform in the junior circuit, it’s possible to exaggerate his struggles in Texas, since he did log seven quality starts in 12 outings. That quality start percentage of 58.3 percent with the Rangers was better than that of any Red Sox starting pitcher last year. (Felix Doubront led the team with a 51.7 percent quality start rate.) On the year, Dempster turned in quality starts in 64.2 percent of his starts with the Cubs and Rangers, suggesting an ability to work relatively deep into games while giving his team a solid opportunity to win on a consistent basis.

The right-hander, according to a source familiar with his thinking, was seeking a three-year deal as of the winter meetings. When Dan Haren agreed to a one-year, $13 million deal with the Nationals, Dempster — who is coming off of a four-year, $52 million deal he signed with the Cubs after the 2008 season — identified that figure as a baseline for the average annual value he seeks. ESPNBoston.com reported last week that the right-hander rejected a two-year, $25 million offer from the Sox. However, he ended up bumping his salary slightly from that level, but without getting a third year — a key consideration for the Sox.

The Sox view Dempster as a solid mid- to back-of-the-rotation starter who has a demonstrated track record of supplying reliable innings and keeping his team in the game. He is also viewed as a tremendous teammate and a rotation leader, with a strong work ethic that is considered a potential positive in the clubhouse. And, while he’s shown declining strikeout rates in the last two years (going from 8.7 strikeouts per nine in 2010 to 8.5 in 2011 to 8.0 in 2012), he struck out more than a batter an inning with the Rangers at the end of the year.

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  • Pip

    Sounds like they want him because he doesn’t cost a draft pick. Can’t think of any other reason. Pretty expensive draft pick they are not losing.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t get the logic.  1 year of Haren (a much better pitcher) at $13M is expensive, while 2 years of an older pitcher at over $13M is good to go.

      • TB

        At face value. But Haren has huge injury question mark (hip). He could be a bargain or he could miss the whole season. Not to mention, he wanted to go to Washington. So $13m wouldnt have done it for Boston.

        • Kingkelly

          Spot on, TB.  Beyond the strong points you noted, Haren was also a tailored fit for the young Nats rotation. As an accomplished veteran, Haren has value added as a steadying presence and mentor – even if his back and hip flare-ups cut into his projected starts. 

          The tailored fit for the Red Sox is 200-ish INNINGS, pitched well enough to give the Sox a chance in the majority of his starts — what Wake gave the Sox when he was younger. That and being a “Band of Brothers” force who can help the Bards and Lesters get over their shell shock from last year and keep their poise on the mound, and laugh it off when the media bozos start manufacturing drama or rounding up ‘evil doers.’  

          At two years, Dempster is a relatively low risk signing for his age.  And before we become total Age Snobs, let’s remember Curt Schilling was 37 in April of 2004; he went on to win 53 games, vs. 29 losses, and had enough left in the tank to offer obnoxious opinions on just about everything (LOL).  Dempster isn’t as dominating as Schill, but he is a two time All Star.  And like Schill, he has a strong track record of durability and consistency in his thirties.  Over the past five years he has pitched 173 innings once, and exceeded 200 innings four times.  His ERA-plus (Earned Run Average, adjusted for ball parks and normalized so that 100 = league average) for that five year span was 114 (14% above league average); four of five years were above average (110,122,124, 154).  And for good measure, he is a flexible chip.  He was a hot trading property last July, even as a two month rental.  This July, his trade value — should it come to that — would include the last two months of 2013 PLUS the whole of 2014 AND a potential comp pick in 2015.    

          AL East competition will be a new challenge for Dempster, and there are no guarantees even with players in their 20s,  But all things considered, this is a good get by Ben.   

          • Shennessey

            Spin it anyway you want, he is a .500 pitcher period. With a career ERA over 4

          • Rick in NH

            Dempster is a solid, major league pitcher who will throw 200 innings and keep the team in ballgames. The money is what it is. The market now dictates that a #3-4 starter gets $13mil per year. He isn’t long term, which fits the team strategy. If everyone pitches to their career averages, this’ll be a solid, competitive team. Let’s see a quarter of a season before we start jumping off of bridges!

  • Ipse Amicus

    He could fall anywhere from the number 5 guy, to the number 1 guy depending on who shows up this year.

  • http://twitter.com/nysoxfan79 Keith

    I’m fine with this move. Not overly excited & not mad at it.

  • Jorge

    You guys are just to funny, you act like it is your money they are spending–Gonzo-talented guy no playoffs.  Crawford-talented guy–no playoffs.  Lackey–talented guy no playoffs.  Stop from standing, ready to jump off the bridge, it is December 13th and it isn’t your money they are using–CHILL

    • Al

      they were not going to do better with the money they were willing to spend and the years!
      2 years is not so bad but they still gonna  end up last  so whatever !

      • Doug

        Is this your experienced judgement Al?  You sound so much like a brainwashed RSN clone, no brains, media brainwashed, get a job as a janitor at Fox, you might go up to a full fledged copy boy!

        • Giraud

          More ad hominem attacks from a Sox hater. Pathetic. Dempster’s historic ability to control the game, on a 2 year deal, makes him a very good fit. In 2013 and 2014 the likes of DLR, Webster, Wright, Workman, Hernandez, Ranaudo, Barnes will be fighting for a roster spot. With the addition the super-reliable Dempster, the burden is on the other 4 to carry this team to September. The Sox are entering a period overflowing with pitching, both SP and RP. Why all the anger about this indisputable fact? I suppose u are also down on the signings of Ortiz, Napoli, Victorino, Gomes, Ross, Uehara???? Do the math. This is very likely a team of high OBP, 100+SB, 200+HR, 300+ doubles and triples, with GG candidates at 5 of 8 positions. Ben has built a competitive team while waiting for the kids to make the jump, and has another $30M or so for midseason maneuvers. By this time last year they got as far as hiring Valentine. Big difference!

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZVFM2HRNC5CTO2OUXD4XTX65O4 Dennis

       The problem with some is that the forget that the money is someone else’s.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BIVLBBG3TCMUJ67DMIXU6N62MI Dick

        It’s our money stupid.

        • Skmcc8584

          In this lousy free agent crop what would you have done? Greinke? Sanchez? even lohse is going to get 4 years. I think Ben is doing a great job holding on to what we have on the farm as they ripen, holding on to draft picks for the long term. I have already resigned myself to a rebuilding year so whatever positives this team acomplishes is gravy and who knows if our pitching can hold up this lineup will score runs. And as far as your name calling goes, you suck….Dick  

        • Giraud

          Emphatic or redundant? Saying it 3x doesn’t make it more valid. Our money went into paying for breaking the curse, two WS championships, several close calls. It also rebuilt Fenway into a great venue and the one true Cathedral of baseball, hallowed ground for players and fans alime. It also spent a fortune on long term contracts that blew up in the FO’s face, which is why they wisely did NOT sign Hamilton, Greinke, Sanchez and others to yet another fortune in long term contracts. Our money assumes good years from Ellsbury, Pedroia, Ortiz, Middlebrooks, Lester, Buchholz, Doubront, Bailey, Tazawa, Breslow, Miller, Morales and others. Our offseason money was spent on good guys with big bats, gloves and arms to carry the team until the kids, who were signed with our money, make the jump. Our money has paid for a competitive team in 2013 and a great one going forward. As someone who has watched this team steuggle for many decades, IMO Ben has spent our money wisely this year, and I am grateful for the way this ownership group used our money to deliver championship teams and save baseball’s Cathedral.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BIVLBBG3TCMUJ67DMIXU6N62MI Dick

      It is our money stupid we buy the tickets and watch NESN where do you think the money comes from a money tree?

      • Brian

        If you think ticket sales largely fund the Red Sox baseball ops you are just dead wrong, it’s really that simple.

    • Payroll opinions

      Jorge – I hate when people make this stupid argument about the team’s money not being “my” money.

      The perception (and reality) is that the Red Sox have a limited budget. They made a choice to spend about 7-10% of the budget over the next two years on Dempster. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with having an opinion about whether he is a good use of that share of the budget or not. 

      I find it alarming that two people “liked” your post. 

  • Doug

    We got an innings eater which we badly need, also a class guy, great Harry Carey aper, obvious good clubhouse influence, this is a good sign, of course time will tell, but we knew what we are getting, a 4th or 5th starter who can help.

    • Shennessey

      It was a good signing? If you call paying 13 million dollars to a .500 pitcher, who by the way got bombed in the american east last year, his ERA agains’t the Yankees is over 8. You don’t pay your fourth or fifth starter 13 million dollars a year, unless your the Red sox

  • Jorge

    He is better option than Dice-K and Cook and we need pitching. 

  • walt from spencer

    The best Harry Carry impersonator in the business, welcome to Boston Ryan.  Wish you well.

  • Guest

    he’s over the hill. I don’t understand thios move

  • http://www.facebook.com/melody.mckinstrie.1 Melody McKinstrie

    I did not realize that Kyle Lohse would cost a draft pick.  So signing Dempster without losing a draftpick makes more sense now.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BIVLBBG3TCMUJ67DMIXU6N62MI Dick

    The Red Sox will need someone to eat innings. After signing road kill and dumpster diving they will reward the fans that sell out fenway by finishing behind Tampa bay for last place, pethetic reward for our loyalty. 

  • TimDogg

    Grab a bleacher seat and bring a glove!  Every fifth day is ‘Ryan Dempster Souvenir Baseball Day’ at the grand old ballpark… 

  • Wade hodder

    Just another + 30 body that will be eaten alive by the AL East teams, especially the Skanks. Why are they so concerned about draft picks? Name me 2 players in the past 5 yrs that has made a difference to the lineup or pitching staff.  Nice job of signing 2 more catchers and 2 outfielders  for $13 million each, when for the same amount we could have had Hamilton & Cody Ross with some left over for a decent 1st baseman, and an outfield of Hamilton, Ellsbury, & Ross. Lets see now, our starting pitching is Lackey, Buchkoltz, Dubrount, Lester, & Dempster, based on the last 2 years i only have faith in Dubrount & Buckholtz. That should really put fear into opposing lineups- NOT!   So we invested over $75 million per year for the new players that are no improvement over last year. By the way Ross 81 rbi’s in 2012 and Salty 25 hr’s led the team probably wont b here on opening day, lets face it how many catchers can u have?  What this team really needs is a general manager that has a clue.

  • BOSOX671

    I am sick of hearing “he’s ok because he’s a fifth starter”. In my opinion, you sign a pitcher that you think will be effective and he falls in wherever. I understand and agree about not losing the pick but that is the only positive out of it for me. Losing velocity, 35, overpaid. Terrible against good lineups. I’m usually pretty positive but this time I just don’t get it.

  • Mal Tempo

    The Red Sox mouthpiece speaketh.

  • Bunts

    The strategy works if the prospects end up being strong mlb players. Hard to feel good about that as its been a while since we’ve seen consistant results from the farm system 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Derek-Eagles/1421770170 Derek Eagles

    We just have to hold on 2-3 years until the kids are ready. I was actually ok with sucking until then, but if the Sox want to be mediocre so they keep selling tickets I’m alright with that. Things will get exciting in the future.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.sheridan.5 David Sheridan

    Hate to agree with Dan – But I do. $13.5 Million for a .500 pitcher – not good. DIdn’t work out tonight

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