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What R.A. Dickey might mean: Analyzing American League East rotations 12.16.12 at 10:02 am ET
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The Blue Jays are closing in on a deal for Mets knuckleballer R.A. Dickey. (AP)

The Mets floated their Cy Young Award winner out into the lobby conversations at the winter meetings, seeing if a team wanted to pay the price for acquiring a top-of-the-rotation talent (albeit a 38-year-old one). Evidently, they got the bite they were looking for.

According to multiple reports, as of Sunday morning the Blue Jays were close to acquiring R.A. Dickey in exchange for a package that would include top catching prospect Travis d’Arnaud.

For Red Sox followers, the move seemingly hasn’t sent the ripple of anxiety that the Angels’ acquisition of Josh Hamilton did a few days earlier (or, for that matter, the one that the Blue Jays-Marlins deal produced earlier in the offseason).

Sure, Dickey won the Cy Young. OK, he led the major leagues with 27 quality starts (10 more than the Sox’ leader, Jon Lester). And it is understood that when he went up against American League East teams, Baltimore and Tampa Bay, in June last season, the results were back-to-back complete-game one-hitters.

But there is his age and his arsenal: Thirty-eight with a knuckleball. Sox faithful have seen the good and bad of  that combination before with Tim Wakefield. And while the former Red Sox hurler did turn in a 32-appearance, 12-win season at the age of 38 in 2004, he wasn’t considered a difference-maker in the mold of Pedro Martinez and Curt Schilling .

Make no mistake about it, judging by the investment, the Blue Jays are banking on Dickey being at least in the neighborhood of a Martinez or Schilling.

So while some analyzing the American League landscape might dismiss the Dickey acquisition, it could very well be one of the most important moves made in what has become a fascinating division race. It is, after all, widely believed that the true separator for the division’s five teams will be starting pitching, with the team that emerges from the winter with the best rotation becoming the head-and-shoulders favorite.

National League or no National League, Dickey won 20 games on a 74-win Mets team. He pitched 233 2/3 innings, totaled a 2.73 ERA and struck out more batters (230) than any other NL hurler. Make all the league adjustments you want, he is someone who most likely represents a significant alteration to the AL East blueprint.

So where does that leave the division’s starting rotations? Let’s take a look:

RED SOX

Current rotation: Lester, Clay Buchholz, Ryan Dempster, John Lackey, Felix Doubront

What they’re counting on: The way this works is if Lester and Buchholz find their top-of-the-rotation mojo — the kind that allows them to go up against any lineup at any time — while Dempster and Lackey provide much-needed consistency when it comes to getting past the 200-inning barrier. This was a starting staff that logged the seventh-fewest innings in the majors last season, with just one pitcher going over 190 innings (Lester). The wild card will not only be Doubront, who has shown flashes of All-Star stuff, but potentially Franklin Morales. While Morales might currently be slated for the bullpen, it shouldn’t be forgotten that in his first seven starts he compiled a 3.35 ERA and .199 batting average against.

What they’re worried about: While Lester and Buchholz have spent at least a portion of their existence in the rarified air befitting a big league ace, there have been bumps in the road. For Buchholz there have been the injury-induced detours, and Lester has to bounce back from a season in which the Red Sox went 13-20 in his starts. The difference this time around is that there figures to be even less room for error, without the top-of-the-rotation fallback plans seemingly at the ready.

YANKEES

Current rotation: CC Sabathia, Hiroki Kuroda, Andy Pettitte, Phil Hughes, Ivan Nova

What they’re counting on: Even with all the age and chaos seemingly surrounding the Yanks heading into ’13, they can hang their hats on the fact they possess the second surest one-two, top-of-the-rotation punch in the division (after Tampa Bay) with Sabathia and Kuroda. The 32-year-old Sabathia is still delivering ace stuff, while reaching 200 innings for a sixth straight season despite injuries in 2012, finishing with an opponents batting average (.238) 17 points better than the year before. And Kuroda is coming off having the second-most quality starts of any pitcher in the division. Pettitte figures to be Pettitte, while Hughes stepped up to turn in a 16-win season and seemingly is ready to start taking some pressure off the top guys. As as far as No. 5 guys go, the potential of Nova (remember ’11?) isn’t a bad place to start.

What they’re worried about: Even though they have the workhorses, there is also an understanding that even the most stout of innings-eaters eventually start going the other way. And if Sabathia and Kuroda can’t provide the top-of-the-rotation production expected, the fallback plans might make the Yankees somewhat uneasy. The guy who was supposed to help such a transition, Michael Pineda, doesn’t figure to be ready until the season’s second half due to shoulder surgery in 2012.

BLUE JAYS

Current rotation (assuming Dickey trade goes through): Dickey, Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, Brandon Morrow, Ricky Romero

What they’re counting on: Even if Dickey settles into mere mortal status, the Jays’ starters potentially represent the most upside of any group in the division. You have an ERA champ of just two years ago who is in a contract year (Johnson), another pitcher who is one year removed from a 32-start season in which he totaled a 2.92 ERA (Romero), a lefty who has pitched upwards of 200 innings in every season since ’01 (Buehrle) and a 28-year-old who might be emerging as a dominant starter, as a 2.96 ERA in 21 ’12 starts might suggest (Morrow).

What they’re worried about: There is the adjustment that will come with transitioning their top three starters from the National League to the AL East. There are also the lingering injury concerns that will follow both Johnson and Morrow, tempering optimism that the starting staff will be able to improve on a dismal 916 innings (26th overall). But perhaps the biggest difference-maker when it comes to this rotation trending one way or another (besides Dickey) is the production of Romero, who experienced a horrific downturn in ’12, finishing with an ERA of 5.77 in 32 starts.

RAYS

Current rotation: David Price, Jeremy Hellickson, Matt Moore, Alex Cobb, Jeff Niemann

What they’re counting on: This group doing what it’s done for the past few years — keep the Rays atop the division without having the kind of offensive support their divisional rivals possess. And you know what? Even without their former No. 2 starter, James Shields, nothing figures to change. Price is still among the best in baseball, with Hellickson, Moore, Cobb and Niemann all representing a new wave of elite arms in the division.

What they’re worried about: There is a concern that the piece of the equation that will be the most difficult to replace when it comes to Shields is innings. Other than Price, none of the potentially electric arms in the Rays’ rotation has eclipsed 189 frames. Shields did average 220 innings over the past six seasons. ”They have another year of experience. Even though they have great work ethic, I would anticipate it’s going to be better,” Tampa Bay manager Joe Maddon recently told Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times. “Even though their preparation has been good, I want it to get better. Find those innings through method, as opposed to just saying, ‘I’ve got to step up.’ So the methodology has got to continue to get better that permits them to become 200-plus-inning pitchers.”‘

ORIOLES

Current rotation: Jason Hammel, Wei-Yin Chen, Chris Tillman, Miguel Gonzalez, Brian Matusz

What they’re counting on: Hammel and Chen have to be close to the pitchers they evolved into in ’12. Perhaps the most important aspect of the equation is that a few pitchers in the group approach 200 innings. Chen led the way with 192 2/3 innings, with Tommy Hunter coming in second at 133 2/3 innings. After Chen, no pitcher made more than 20 starts. The hope is that top prospects Dylan Bundy and Kevin Gausman can eventually be integrated as foundational pieces in the rotation for years to come, while a crowded group sorts itself out in spring training.

What they’re worried about: The future could be bright for the staff thanks to the likes of Bundy, but they have been down this road before. Matusz was once considered an untradeable anchor before taking a turn for the worse. For the present, the O’s simply need the kind of consistency Hammel, Chen and Gonzalez provided while they make their next move. The problem is that the plan revolved so much around a lock-down bullpen, something that may prove elusive given the typical volatility of bullpens. (The only three teams to have their bullpen throw as many innings as Baltimore were Colorado, Kansas City and Minnesota — none winning as many as 72 games.)

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  • Believer4Life

    The key for the Sox is Lester and Buchholz, if they don’t perform to what we know their capable of then if doesn’t matter who they bring in here. They could bring in King Felix and it won’t matter unless those 2 live up to expectations

    • Bob M.

      Absolutely right. Despite all of the talk. both positive and negative, concerning the FA signings to date, probably none of them either singly or collectively, will make or break this team in 2013. The same cannot be said about Lester and Buchholz.

  • Red Sox 25 (retire Tony C’s #)

    Toronto looks like a team loading up with veteran talent for the trading deadline. They will have pieces that contenders will want/need and will trade the veterans in order to rebuild their minor leagues. Tampa Bay is the real contender in the division. The Yankees will always be, even when they are counted out by most. The Orioles are relying on too many young arms that could be great or fail miserably. And the Red Sox are somewhere in the middle hoping that Lester bounces back, and that Buchholz stays healthy.That is why the Red Sox should trade Ellsbury for a package of minor league talent (see what the Indians got for Choo) and be ready if they find themselves contending at the All Star break to trade for the piece(s) they need or stay on course for 2014 and beyond.

    No one in the East looks great (just different) on paper, but then again the games are not played on paper.

    • guest

       typical ignorant sox fan who has no idea what they’re talking about.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ikarn.johal Ikarn Johal

      I stopped reading after you said they are loading up for veteran talent for the trade deadline lol you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. 

      • Red Sox 25 (retire Tony C’s #)

        Check back with me in July.

    • http://twitter.com/connsmythe Nick

      I bet you think that the Red Sox are going to win the AL East, too.  You clearly know nothing about your division if you think the Jays are just loading up to trade away everyone at the deadline.  Why would the Jays trade away one of the top 5-10 minor league prospects for a 38 year old if they weren’t going for it now. No way you would get anything better than that back.

      The Jays have no worse than a #3 starter on their team, and may have just added last years NL Cy Young winner. To go along with that, their batting order is deep

      Reyes
      Cabrera
      Bautista
      Encarnacion
      Lawrie
      Rasmus
      ArencibiaLind
      Bonifacio/Izturis

      I will enjoy every minute of the Red Sox sitting in 5th place all year.

      • Red Sox 25 (retire Tony C’s #)

        I suspect you were a Marlins fan last year.

    • Ryanwaclark

      Why would a team trade prospects….for veterans….to trade for prospects? Wow. Mind is blown.

      No, Toronto is going for it.

      • Red Sox 25 (retire Tony C’s #)

        Until they realize that those veterans are worth something as they do their usual slip back into AL East oblivion.

    • Anonymous

       Yes…they unload the farm to acquire veterans to turn around and unload the veterans to shore up the farm at the deadline…..yes

    • CA

       LOL yup, the Jays are definitely going to have a fire sale at the half way point, now that we finally have a contender. Enjoy John Farrell, bud.

    • Anonymous

      Whoever wrote this post hasn’t been paying attention or is in serious denial about the increased strength of Toronto.  The Jays are not “loading up with veteran talent for the trading deadline…and will trade the veterans in order to rebuild their minor leagues.” They  are trading prospect porn for proven talent in order to win it all in 2013. These veterans will be with the Jays the entire season and perhaps most of the next 3 years, at which time more of their strong pipeline of younger prospects will be ripe for either more trades like this or joining the Jays as starters.

    • Jaysareback

      Toronto is loading up with veteran talent to rebuild their farm system? Were you serious with that statement? They went in to the off season with the second best farm system next to the Royals, and traded 5 of their top 10 prospects in two MONSTER deals to become the FAVOURITES in the AL East. I know Canada is a foreign country to you and you are blinded by your love of the Sox.. but take a serious look at the Blue Jays line up sir… they will finish 15 games ahead of the Sox this year. They are STACKED.

      • http://twitter.com/Zj_6 Zack Jones

        There’s Jays fans now? Bandwagon filled up quicker than I would of expected. If the game was played on paper, the red sox would have won it all in 2011, but it isn’t and they didn’t. The Jays still have to go out on the field and play. Let’s look at the biggest spenders from the last few seasons and see how they did.
        2012- Dodgers- Acquire numerous players with a combines 250 million left on their contracts but they still only win 86 games and miss playoffs 
        Marlins, commit over 200 mill, lose 93 games and trade half their team
        -Angels, commit 300 million to two players. win 89 games but missed playoffs
        2011- Red Sox, miss playoffs by blowing nine game lead with a month to play
        - Rockies, commit 200 million to cargo and tulo, miss playoffs
        -Phillies, their rotation cost them nearly 100 million in 2011 ALONE. yet they fail to reach the second round of the playoffs and then miss them all together in 2012
        —-
        Those are some examples of the top of my head. Game is on the field, not on paper.

        • http://twitter.com/mikesherman03 Mike Sherman

          i can’t tell if this post was serious. you seems like your 12 years old. four of the five example you just gave are known as some of the stupidest deals/biggest flukes in baseball. not only that. but the jays didnt spend 200 million dollars on two players this year, nor are they planning on trading their team at the deadline. i fail to see your point, and my little sister who doesnt know baseball at all, could probably refute your argument successfully. please, stop talking you’re ruining the comment thread of this article. 

          • http://twitter.com/Zj_6 Zack Jones

            My point was that the biggest spenders aren’t usually the biggest winners.I never said they would trade away their team.  And if you can refute the argument..then do it. You seem like a bandwagon jays fan to me. BTW, when calling someone a 12 year old….best not to make spelling errors. hahahahahha

    • adrianthegreat

      toronto isn’t loading up on vet talent for the purpose of trading at the deadline. it’s precisely because they stockpiled minor league talent the past few years that has now allowed them the chance to get veterans in off-season deals to make a serious run at the AL East crown in 2013.

    • http://twitter.com/mikesherman03 Mike Sherman

      makes sense. i just traded a sandwich for a pizza, which i plan to flip as soon as possible for the same sandwich. seems like a good move…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WW4SUGV5J6Y7R5MVPAWVIWAJFU Dennis

      Everyone keeps saying trade Jacoby for whatever.He would only be a rental and the Sox know that.I would just as soon let him play out his contract.I don’t expect him to repeat 2011 i don’t think anyone doe’s,but i’d rather see him in center field in Boston for 2013.Boras is talking about an extension with the Sox before the season starts,now that is something Boras does’nt do.Maybe he’s not sure about Jacoby himself.

    • Coryjsnyder

      Are you crazy? You think the blue jays are trading some of the very best prospects in baseball just to stockpile veterans to turn around and trade at the deadline? Ummmm, no. The Blue Jays are making a very serious run at a championship!

  • Jimmy Freeze

    Will be interesting to see what Lackey does after the surgery…

    Maybe his stinkinees was because his arm was damaged?…

    Some guys come back better than their previous selves after Tommy John..
     
    Certainly not a lock, but something to watch after his first few starts.

    I think Toronto smells blood in the water is going for it full bore…Sox are little  threat, Yankees are on the 17th green…Tampa’s 1/2 a team (pitching only), and Orioles are the other half (good offense).

    There’s an opening for the Blue Jays to go for it

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WW4SUGV5J6Y7R5MVPAWVIWAJFU Dennis

      There is no question about his competiveness he wants the ball.He was never great but he was good enough when healthy.Tommy john surgery has worked wonder’s nowadays,i expect him to be much better.But then again my speculating a 2 dollars will get you a cup of coffee.lol.

  • Bill

    So even the Jays are spending money? Great job, Sox owners.

    • Bob M.

      Just for the record, to date, Toronto has spent $29 m on Free Agents this offseason, Boston $150 m. It’s fair game to question the quality of the players signed by Boston,
      but to imply that money is not being spent belies the facts.

      • http://twitter.com/Zj_6 Zack Jones

        Their price was paid in prospects, everyone knows that.

        • Bob M.

          I was responding to Bill’s comment, which was: “So even the Jays are spending money?
          Great job, Sox owners.” 

          • http://twitter.com/Zj_6 Zack Jones

            my mistake

  • Webebros2008

    This is good for the Yanks too. We hit him hard when we played him last year. He deserved a loss but the mets tied it and them we won it.

  • http://twitter.com/Zj_6 Zack Jones

    Great piece, alex. There is no doubt that the Blue Jays group has the greatest upside, but it also came at the greatest cost. Idk if Johnson and Buehrle will compete in the east. I also think Doubront could be a dominant pitcher this year. Last year, his last couple of starts he turned in some great outings despite being WAY past his presumed innings cap. Idk if Lester will be top two in that rotation, but Doubront could be

    • http://twitter.com/mikesherman03 Mike Sherman

      just to recap your post: i dont think johnson and buehrle (proven excellent pitcher) will be able to compete. but i think doubront (a pitcher off an average season with some potential) could be a dominant pitcher this year. seems about right…

      • http://twitter.com/Zj_6 Zack Jones

        Johnson is injury prone and his velocity has sunk over the last season. Buehrle has never been excellent in any league and the fact that he’s taking his 88 mph fastball to the AL east is why I believe he’s due to get lit up. Doubront had great peripherals last year so yes I do think he COULD do very well

  • anguillaman3

    I don’t see the Sox finishing ahead of any team in the AL East in 2013…that being said..thanks for not bringing in another knuckleball pitcher…sure he did good in the NL last year..but like Wakefield this one trick pony will get crushed in the AL this coming season.

    • http://www.facebook.com/porkchopmaster Brian Stever

      Dickey and Wakefield are way different pitchers.  Wakefield just floated them up their, Dickey actually has control of his

  • Fed up

    5th place here we come again.  Discipline surely pays off, Ben.  

  • feelitboston

    haha this article is hilarious, “okay he won the Cy Young, okay he had 27 quality starts” then proceeds to bash him and compare him to wakefield. here’s a wake up call boston, dickey has achieved more in 3 years than wakefield could have in 3 careers, not all knuckleballers are of the same quality just because they rely on the knuckleball. there’s no comparison, good luck with lackey and doubront

    • http://www.facebook.com/porkchopmaster Brian Stever

      lol exaclty.  Comparing Wakefields knuckleball to Dickey’s is like comparing Jamie Moyer’s fastball to Roger Clements lol

  • Alex

    Everyone keeps talking about NL pitchers coming over to the AL and getting crushed…. news flash an NL team has won the series 4 out of last 5 years.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003997287905 John Smith

    The redsox are counting on the same type of things the Jays were of years past. 

    If Lester gets himself back on track
    If Lackey returns to form
    If Doubront proves he can handle the innings and If his peripherals start to match his performance
    If Ryan Dempster proves that he can make the adjustment to the AL (his career interleague numbers stink)

    Way too many things have to go right for the sox. It never happens. Of course it makes good sports talk radio to sell hope (to keep interest) but fans have to be smarter then that.

    The jays only have one real question mark can their starting rotation stay healthy. Even if Romero doesn’t bounce back, Johnson puts up similar numbers to last season, Buehrle struggles in the AL etc…they still have the second best rotation in the AL. Why? Because their depth is so much better and Johnson struggling isn’t the same Lackey struggling.

    There’s also a difference with the Jays counting on their 5th starter Romero returning to pre-2012 Lester like form and boston counting on their number one starter returning to form. 

    In short, the sox are screwed.

  • Jwing3399

    just nit picking here, but Zach Britton will be starting for the O’s ahead of Brian Matusz…..

  • http://www.facebook.com/oleghaskel Oleg Haskel

    Johnson is a lock for some sort of injury, morrow too. Romero is horrible and it will take a miracle to bring him back. Buehrly is consistently mediocre, and the one thing going against Dickey is the fact that the AL East has seen a knuckleballer not that long ago in Wakefield. 
    Rays have the best rotation – they’ve done it in the AL East before and until I see the Jays start to match that, Rays have the edge IMO.

    • LongoForLife

      I’ll partially agree with this statement, In 2012 the Rays had one of the best rotations this past decade and while the Jays have a lot of great arms, there’s still some question marks. 3 NL pitchers coming to the AL East and counting on a bounce back year from Ricky Ro. I’m going to hold off on my judgement until i see them play but it could be special.
      If the rotation plays up to their potential i don’t think they’re going to be trading their guys (whoever said that is an idiot), I think they’re going to be counting each win over 100…

  • Markbeuerman

    Can’t believe ANYONE voted for Sox as best rotation. Lol. Homers….sad.

  • Anonymous

    Get angry, Jays fan.

  • Sean sox fan

    should the trade go thru, the Mets got the better of the deal by nabbing d’Arnaud and getting younger.

    Dickey is NOT going to make the difference in the AL East.. look at the stats- he’s been in MLB for 10 seasons- 7 of them in the AL (Texas, Minnesota, Seattle), where he amassed a very unimpressive 22-28 record with  5.43 ERA…even in the pitching friendly NL (3 seasons with the Mets), he was 11-9 in 2010 and 8-13 in 2011.. he’s had ONE GOOD SEASON in his whole career- last season’s 20-6…and with THAT, he’s only 5 games over .500 for his career. The numbers suggest that he will fail again in the AL East.

    are the Sox going to win the AL East? of course not, but for those who are whining about not getting a 1 year wonder who is 38 years old, relax. the Sox did well by not pulling the trigger here.

    • Billy Klutch Koch

      One Season Wonder? lmao go check his number over the past 3 seasons, he has steadily became better

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WW4SUGV5J6Y7R5MVPAWVIWAJFU Dennis

    If Lester can rebound to the way he was under Farrel along with Buch it may very well be an interesting season.This article is good in that it is all speculation.

  • nick

    The Rays have the best rotation in the east by far. Josh Johnson and Mark Buerhle have a lot to prove in the A.L. East. Toronto is doing the same thing that the Redsox did a few years ago, 2011, when everyone declared them the best team, except their talent is way overrated.

  • Fitz33

    70% of readers on a website dedicated to Boston sports pcik the jays as the best rotation in the ALE.  2% say the Red Sox…

    Ya…suck it Farrell…

  • Tom Brady

    Regarding the pitching of the Red Sox’s in 2013 – as one glorious philosopher once opined:

    Suck it Farrell. 

  • Dano S

    Pats Predictions 71.0 I think Pats will trade Ryan Mallett for a 3rd and 4th round pick.
    Free agents signed Brady Quinn QB Chiefs, Joshua Cribbs WR Browns, Stephen Peterman
    G Lions,Israel Idonije DE Bears,Karlos Dansby LB Miami and Quentin Jammer CB Chargers.
    Draft 1 John Jenkins NT Georgia 2 Alex Okafor DE Texas 3 Sio Moore LB Connecticut
    3 Emmitt Cleary OT Boston College 4 Dwayne Gratz CB Connecticut
    7 Nick Becton OT Virginia Tech 7 Herman Lathers LB Tennessee.

    • Peter Griffin

      Not happening

    • Peter Griffin

      Thats a super ugly draft&FA additions you have there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Brett.Traycheck Brett Alexander

    I would be happy if they signed TO. Plenty of cap space and he would come back to the league for the minimum. Everyone complaining about the Receivers why not give TO a shot. He isnt going to be a distraction with him trying to rewrite his past.

  • Underground fan

    Ok,
    With Mallet, being traded, a talented back up is needed. Seemingly, one seems to be garnering interest from a certain “north east team”.
    Is Jarmarcus Russell, getting a lok see, to be Brady’s backup in the near future.
    BB could accomplish what no other coach has accomplished. Getting JR TO PUT THE MUFFIN DOWN AND BACK AWAY SLOWLY……………..
    Mallet being traded for picks, is a foregone conclusion at tis point. He has earned the chance to get a shot somewhere, NE, is most certainly NOT in his future.. Unless is a wannabe, and thn I don’t want him anyway, get what u can..
    JR, small money, who just needs to stay in shape and close out those blowouts.. For a season or two.. Still only 29. More than likely a resurrected career, worth another couple of picks.. What the heck the kid has talent.

  • football wizard

    it can’t hurt that brady’s head, arm and rear end are focused on the game pre camp, man, regardless of whether TO has a pipe dream. Brady is locked in and focused on that 4th ring, which has been denied to him twice. He wants it bad and i want to see him get it almost as bad. Btw, do you think that an underperforming bumb like Romo would be this dedicated?

  • Otis

    yeah because 5′-9” moderately athletic, white guys are irreplaceable

  • NEP

    Are there any QBs as dedicated? Who else is working out with guys like this right now? I can see only a handful of guys even considering it. I’d look for it to become more of a trend if Brady is doing it though. He’s a good example to follow and other QBs know it.

  • SourGrapes

    Brady is a Machine, total dedication, a true player in every aspect.

  • Richard The Lion Heart

    You’re a clueless Ass-Clown!!! Now…if I’m not mistaken, “Mehmet” is the Turkish form of Muhammed. Figures…you’re a Muslim, you’re a terrorist, and you want to bring death to the American infidels. How’s that for racism, you rag- head imbecile! Do you feel better now??? Your ignorance affords you zero tolerance. We Americans welcome people of all races and faiths. We have big hearts and tolerate much too much from the scum of the earth like you. Screw political correctness. Garbage like you should be thrown onto the 1st boat and shipped back from whence you came!!! You’re not deserving of this country.

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