Injuries again with this guy?  I’m starting to lose hope

Boy, this kid is fragile.  Not looking good for his MLB career.

Sad. Injury prone beyond belief. Potential unrealized.

i don’t get these guys  lol   all off season they are fine , then come time to play this hurts that hurts… unreal  baseball players are soft.   oh no !! i got a hang nail cant work for a week… it’s so hard to stand in the outfield and chase maybe three balls thru out nine innings,  aagghhhhso tiring. from boredom   …

Good thing they didn t get rid of him. Trade Reddick because they wanted to hold onto Kalish

2 weeks before spring training and the med staff just works this out?

ISN’T THERE A KID IN OAKLAND THAT WE GAVE AWAY IN FAVOR OF THIS BUM

 Sorry guy but Oakland did not want Kalish. The Sox wanted to dump him but, again, he was once again injured when the trade with Reddick went down.

 Nope revisionist history, Oakland did not want Kalish because he was hurt. I agree the trade with Reddick sucked but at least get the facts correct.

I lost it a long time ago…a very “marginal” player anyways…always hurt. Someguys like Bailey are always injured.

 Agreed, and even when he wasn’t hurt(the couple of games, lol) he really didn’t show me anything at the plate and his defense was also very suspect.

Yeah, but the Red Sox admitted last year they liked Kalish’s potential more than Reddick’s and Kalish was the guy they didn’t want to lose.  Oakland may not have wanted him anyway, but it became clear last year the Sox always had a higher regard for Kalish (when healthy) than they did for Reddick.  They thought Reddick would never be more than a 4th outfielder (platoon player at best). He may still turn out that way.  We’ll see if he can duplicate last year’s numbers.  He tailed off significantly in the second half of the season last year.

No doubt the Sox like/liked Kalish but Oakland was never going to take him. I just find it funny that people think the Sox had a choice in that trade of the two.

Why do all these guys get surgery right before the season. Why not in October??

I thought JD Drew retired

 Because the weather is nicer during the season…

Yes, and John Lackey is coming into spring training in the best shape of his life. A team isn’t going to say they don’t want a player when they are on their roster. Hell, even John Rocker and Manny weren’t displaced publicly.

Shouldn’t have traded Reddick. Shouldn’t have traded Reddick. Shouldn’t have traded Reddick. Shouldn’t have traded Reddick. Shouldn’t have traded Reddick. Shouldn’t have traded Reddick.
Dangit.

Maybe, but I always saw Reddick as the guy who would get better. He’d probably have been our best RF since Dewey.

What is up with this medical staff? Unless he just got injured how can you wait until 2 weeks before training camp to have surgery?

Really? We just now realize he “is likely undergo surgery” Give me a break!!!

I really feel bad for this kid.  Poor kid having so many surgeries.  I hope he plays later this year but will probably be at AAA if at all.

Can you say Tim Naehring?

Is it O.K. now to wrap up this Ryan Kalish:future Sox superstar absurdity that continues to exist? His numbers have been boring, he projects to mediocrity, and he can’t stay healthy. Throw this guy in the overhyped(by Red Sox fan only) file and move on.

Dump him now and give some other young players a chance who don’t get hurt all the time.

Why not wait  till June………..

Let’s diagnose this at the last minute…Just one more piece of evidence that the Red Sox organization has turned to crap.

what is with this guy? he coughs and he tears a rotator cuff, ridiculous. Permanent AAA player.

another set back? such a shame, terrible luck. 

The obvious question is when did he first hurt this shoulder. is it a carry over from an injury he played through last year?   I mean, what is it with doing surgery in January with these guys.

This guy is hurt a lot. What is this his 3rd surgery ? I wish they had hung onto Reddick and not him. Its looking like a real bad trade now. It looks like they are really light in the outfield backup department. Great moves Ben or Larry. Its going to be a long year in Beoston for us Faithfull.

I think this all stems from the original injury which obviously was more severe than we were led to believe. I imagine this is his swan song with the labrum issues I cannot imagine him being able to hold up.

If I could tell Kalish apart from Nava I might give a crap. 

Can someone please explain why it took so long to do the surgery?? He couldnt hit with it last year. This medical staff and the decissions they make flat out suck!!

If he had been allowed to play his position on the Red Sox instead of hiring Crawford to block him again, he never would have been injured in the first place.  Thanks Theo ….

Daniel is the one who is not hurt yet….. he’s waiting until April to get surgery

Without more details on history of the right shoulder, and what this latest surgery is for, it’s hard to know what to make of this — except that it’s heartbreaker for Kalish.  It may widen Daniel Nava’s doorway to a role as a LH pinch hitter/ platoon partner for in LF, and it seems that it helped spur today’s signing of Ryan Sweeney to a AAA contract for OF depth.  Beyond that…
 
l. It is too soon to write Kalish off as mediocre.  He is just 24; when last healthy he showed nice on base skills, great speed and base running, and terrific outfield range with a good glove.  He had an OPS of .820 in split season at High A and (mostly) AA Portland in 2009, and an OPS of .884 the next year between Salem and AAA Pawtucket. 
 
2. It may be a reach even to call him injury prone at this point.  He got wracked diving for a catch in April of 2011.  A torn labrum in his (left) throwing shoulder was managed conservatively by rest and rehab that season.  He developed severe neck pain as a late complication.  A bulging disk in his cervical spine was repaired surgically in Sept 2011, ending the pain.  A second surgery was done in Nov 2011 to fully repair the torn labrum in the left shoulder — to make doubly sure, he said later, that ALL the April damage had been cleaned up.  No surprise, following such a dual surgery, the rehab has been complicated and prolonged, extending well into 2012, and limited playing time with recurring shut downs due to shoulder weakness that worsened and compromised his swing.  
 
3. Adding to the mystery pie are vague mentions of shoulder trouble while playing high school football, presumed to be long healed when he was playing great as a 21-22 year old.  He is also rusty, after nearly 2 years lost; he struggled with mechanics and confidence as well as shoulder woes when he played in 2012,  But at 24, he is young enough to recover and sort all this out.

4. He has only ONE minor league option left, one more year when he can spend sigificant time in the minors as a Sox prospect — to shed the rust, recapture and hone his former skills, and find his mojo again.  The sudden interest to carve his NON-throwing shoulder could be anything: a new injury from workouts, say, or something leftover from the April 2011 belly flop that usually resolves without surgery, or some exploration and tightening aimed to help stabilize both shoulders and the neck during his swing.  Details are lacking, the anatomy is all connected, so who can say?  Still, having been conservative first and incremental with the surgery so far, both Kalish and the team doctors might be of one mind to be more aggressive now to create the strongest, most stable swing — before he tries again to play a full year.  The one remaining option is a platform consistent with this approach.  In the extreme event that he misses the whole 2013 season, to rehab and strengthening or to further surgeries, I’m fairly sure his minor league option carries over to 2014.

Oops.  That nifty OPS of .884 Kalish put up in 2010 was a split season between PORTLAND and Pawtucket.  My bad,  The kid hasn’t been back to Salem except for three quick rehab games in 2012. 

On a couple of other matters arising.  Reddick was a terrific player and an awful loss, but that was well known.  He topped out as the Sox No. 2 prospect before his promotion to the bigs.  A 4th or platoon outfielder was his projected FLOOR.  His ceiling was steadily improving plate discipline and sky’s the limit.  Yeah, they loved Kalish at his peak, too; no slight against Riddick,  Billy Bean wanted Josh and also got Miles Head (currently one of the A’s top 10 prospects and future first baseman according to Baseball America) and a young Dominican fireballer (Alcantara?).  We were in a jam.  We had no closer and had become luxury tax obsessed.  We wanted a proven, young all-star under team control.  Those ones are hard to find, even a dude with spotty health; Bean had one to peddle and wanted Josh.  Advantage Bean.

The Sox blunder was not thinking in multi-year arcs, back in 2010 when Theo, responding to the ”Let’s Get Sexy” Chorus, blew $22M/yr on an impulse signing of Carl Crawford — nice player, another LH outfielder we didn’t need, whose skills are perfect for cavernous left fields (Safeco, Petco)…  Meanwhile, our pitching staff was already 23rd in the majors in ERA, in a sky dive from No. 1 in the majors in 2007.  The smart move would have been to bank the 22M a year for now (in 2010 the FA pitching was lame); try to invest in a really elite starter during the 2011 season, and failing that… use half the money for starter depth (around 8-10M per) and half the money to extend Pap (at 11M or whatever Philly paid him).  He stabilized the entire bullpen and thrived here.  Reddick would be hitting taters and racking up outfield assists at Fenway. Head would be a top 1b prospect for the Red Sox.  One of the things I like about Ben C is he CLEARLY thinks in multi-year arcs and is willing to pass of ‘best available’ things we don’t need.     

Does he play football?

Or….Part II the excuses begin…..what’s the next shoe to drop?

So it’s almost February and NOW he’s having surgery?  Why not in November?  

Let me reply to myself as this really isn’t fair and not what I believe.  Just an fan’s reaction.  But it surely explains the signing of a minor league deal by Sweeney.

Poor snakebit Ryan Kalish! He has so much potential and it’s beginning to look like he’s never going to be healthy long enough to realize it. He’s still just 24. But ugg. Other kids are coming up in the system and his window of opportunity is pretty much now. May you get well soon, dude, and come back strong.

But anyhow, I’m confused and frustrated. MLB does MRIs at the drop of a hat–or the tweak of a shoulder, in this case. Someone who’s been MRId for so many previous injuries surely would have something like this register, would he not? Unless he’s simply withheld the concern until he knew it was too serious to conceal–which would be foolish of him given his previous injury history and the importance of being OK by this particular spring training–this shoulder issue must have been evident before now. But if it was, surely they’d have done the surgery ASAP–i.e., October or November. Clearly I’m missing something basic and am clueless, but. . . I don’t get it. All these guys have to do in the winter is get in shape for the season. Surely whatever’s wrong in that shoulder would’ve been bugging him since day one?

Reddick would never had played as well here. Easier to play when no one is watching

This guy makes Ellsbury look like Cal Ripken Jr…..

Sox situation would be far better off if Kalish and Westmoreland had stayed healthy.

Wish Ryan well. Hopefully this is his last so all can see his upside.

they were smart. we keep kalish and they said no to him stupid ben

The poor guy i feel bad for him.It just may be over for him and the Red Sox.

It might appear that they are soft.This is not football where guys can play with casts.Baseball requires more working parts,throwing and swinging bats its not the same.

Sometimes you just don’t see things things coming.No one had a real problem with trading Reddick.Lets see if he can duplicate last year.

Why is he a bum,do you think Kalish is happy about it?

Thats what happens the second time around,the pitches catch on.Now its time for Reddick to adjust to them.

reddick is not accident prone, with a rifle arm, and 30plus homers ; not like kalish always hurt no power and  average arm at best . i dont know where the sox see an upside to kalish.

why have surgury then? because now they get to collect money for not playing  thats why. it says he was hurt in september. thats a joke  to wait til end of january. now he can sit on the dl and collect his $. in october he dont get paid. so no operation then

says he been hurt since september

You know what Patriots haters are saying right now? They’re pissed because the Pats managed to somehow get 4 picks out of this deal from Minnesota, and they didn’t have to give up Mallett in this deal either. Y’all should be glad the Pats did this deal, IMO.

Why “sigh”? What did you expect? This is a totally shallow draft with no real first round, impact players. In a draft where the Pats don’t have many picks, and as Mayday said, Rhodes and Trufant were off the boards, who did you *want* them to take?

They’ll just trade down more for more “Value picks”. I wonder if they’ll still go for “Value” when Brady retires.

Would have been nice to give Andruzzi somebody to hand that jersey to. That said, as much crap as Bill (rightfully) gets for trading down every year, four picks for a late first rounder is by no means a poor decision. What’s done with them could well be a different story.

Great move by Patriots.Mock Draft “after Patriots trade” 1.0
2 Stedman Bailey WR West Virginia 2 Barrett Jones OL Alabama
3 D.J. Swearinger S South Carolina 3 Lavar Edwards DE LSU
4 Dwayne Gratz CB Connecticut 7 Zach Line RB SMU
7 Marquiss Wilson WR Washington State
7 Stansley Maponga DE TCU.
Great Work Pats!

Completely agree, don’t get why people don’t understand this.

Now, it should be very interesting to see the Pats trade Maillett to the Browns?
Why wait until the 52nd pick? there is something brewing you can be sure of that….

You think the Pats might actually be able to package those 7th rounders for a more significant find in the 4th or 5th round? (more likely 5th I’m guessing)

OK, so what did you expect? I’ve been frustrated with BB’s moving down in the draft in previous years, but seeing the number of picks they got in return and the names still on the board, I can live with it.
But then again, I wouldn’t have minded if the Pats picked Elam at 29; Ravens got a good player at 32 to replace Ed Reed.
But don’t forget, 21 more players will come off the board before the Pats make their first pick tomorrow. I hope the “value picks” are still there….

Actually, with this year’s draft so shallow and next year’s potentially deep, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bill trading picks this year for higher picks next year.

There are TWO impact players still on the board in position of need for us,but may not be available at #52,where our next pick is…those two players are Justin Hunter and Damontre Moore…If we can parlay Mallett into an EARLY two,and at least grab Moore,who is an absolutely insane pass rusher with crazy moves,it would benefit our defense this year,hugely…If we miss on Hunter,Its imperative that we grab the most complete receiver in the draft,which is Markus Wheaton,whom Belichick flew in for a workout recently….Wheaton has track speed,and does everything very well,except for block…think a cross between Deion Branch in his prime and Terry Glenn without the mental illness…If we landed both Hunter and Wheaton,I may lose my mind in a good way….If we had a choice,we should grab Moore,considering he’s the only impact pass rusher left besides Tank Carradine..