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Ben Cherington: Conditioning is ‘something we’ve talked to [Felix Doubront] about’ 02.16.13 at 6:39 pm ET
By Mike Petraglia

Felix Doubront (AP)

FORT MYERS, Fla. — The moment of truth might finally be here for Felix Doubront.

Based on his performance in 2012, the left-hander entered spring training as a member of the rotation upon whom the Red Sox planned to rely. But the question hanging over the 25-year-old Venezuelan is: can he stay healthy?

In a three-season career with the Red Sox, Doubront has a 17–19 record with a 4.57 ERA and a 3.17 strikeout-to-walk ratio (228-to-72) in 271 2/3 innings.

Two seasons ago, after promising glimpses as a starter and reliever in the big leagues in 2010, Doubront’s growth was stunted when he reported to camp out of shape prior to the 2011 season. He subsequently came up with forearm tightness in his throwing arm at the start of camp, the first of a succession of injuries — arm, groin, hamstring — that left him in Triple-A for most of the season and rendered his contributions to the big league team minimal.

A minor knee injury slowed him briefly during the 2012 campaign. Still, Doubront entered last season as a starter and started strong, beating out Aaron Cook and Alfredo Aceves in spring training. With Josh Beckett, Clay Buchholz and Jon Lester getting off to relatively slow starts, and Daniel Bard being demoted to the minors Doubront got off to a good start, going 5-2 in his first 10 starts.

There have been glimpses of greatness. Last June, Doubront took a no-hitter into the sixth inning against the Miami Marlins. He finished the game giving up two runs on three hits and earned a win. He ended the season with a positive first year having a full time starting job, with a record of 11-10 and more than a strikeout per inning.

Now, Doubront is being held back because of shoulder fatigue.

Red Sox general manager Ben Cherington stopped short of calling out the pitcher for reporting to camp out of shape Saturday, lumping him in with the rehabbing Craig Breslow and Buchholz. All three took part in pitchers’ fielding drills Saturday.

“I think we’re kind of taking advantage of a longer spring training to go slow, and I guess you could say the same with Buchholz and Breslow,” Cherington said. “Guys that are moving a little bit slower out of the gate. I think if the opening day clock was coming on us quicker, you’d probably see them further advanced in their schedules by now. All three of those guys are feeling good and on a schedule now. Felix should be off the mound some time this coming week. So he’s got plenty of time.”

Doubront is expected to get back on a mound Wednesday and begin pitching again. As for his conditioning, Cherington said the team is convinced Doubront will respond to the team’s directives in order to get in shape by the start of the year.

“Well it’s important for a starting pitcher to do what they have to do to give themselves a chance to take the ball 30 times,” Cherington said. “And Felix knows that. It’s something we’ve talked to him over time about, not just this spring but over the years about. And he understands that. When he’s with us and we’re asking him to do stuff he always does it, does it with high intensity. So he’s got plenty of time now, between now and early April to do what he needs to do to put himself in a position to be one of our starters and be a guy we can rely on every fifth day.”

The significance of Doubront to the Red Sox for the short- and long-term is considerable. As a young starter who remains two years away from arbitration eligibility and five seasons from free agency, there is a chance for him to be a rotation building block. But that will only happen if his commitment to achieving that status matches his talent. And the Red Sox plan to challenge Doubront to make sure those two traits align.

“By far the best way to build a pitching staff is to integrate a young pitcher into the rotation and see him succeed. It’s one thing to get to the big leagues and be a starter, but it’s another to succeed and actually take on meaningful innings. That helps us build a rotation more than anything else,” explained Cherington. “Right now, Felix is the most recent guy to do that. We’re going to continue to push him. He knows that. He has a chance to be really good. With the guys who have a chance to be really good, we owe it to them to push them. We’ll keep doing that.”

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  • roll it up and

    Smoke another Doubie, Felix

  • Schwank

    Shoulder fatigue?  Stopped short of calling him out for lack of conditioning?  OK based on the past two seasons, a new manager,etc.  Who is he trying to impress?  Looks to me like early returns are ticketing this guy to AAA thus solving part of the numbers problem (about who to keep/send down)  now faced.  He’ll be back but I’d rather give Aceves a shot as the 5th just to keep him mentally in the game.  The BP has the depth this year to allow him to start.   

  • Matty

    boy spring training is sure stating off great for these clowns. 80 wins, and 4th place team. disgusted.

  • SW

    Pretty sure Doubront is out of options…..

  • RDee

    Typical of today’s overpaid athletes. (most of them). No commitment, no dedication, take the easy route….etc. After last season wouldn’t you think he would show up in the best condition of his life? No motivation, thats all. Farrell has his work cut out and not to mention his hands full!

  • Troy

     He can’t go to AAA, he is out of options

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WW4SUGV5J6Y7R5MVPAWVIWAJFU Dennis

    I’ll never understand it.Alot of these athletes today coming into the game come from poor backrounds the list is endless.If i were into a position in baseball where i had to wonder if someone was committed or not then that person has already made my decision.Maybe we did’nt sign game changes but i think we can be assured that they are at least committed.Gomes,Napoli,Drew,etc.Just do your best to stay in shape and give all you have.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WW4SUGV5J6Y7R5MVPAWVIWAJFU Dennis

    I did’nt realize that Dubront had a commitment problem.If thats the case then i don’t want him.Haven’t we een enough of that already?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WW4SUGV5J6Y7R5MVPAWVIWAJFU Dennis

    That could happen Schwank,but i haven’t seen that so far.I want to see these guys in an exibition game.I never found exibition games very exciting,but this year will be very interesting with all the new faces.

  • innovator1

    They overpitched him by 40 innings last year..Curious if any damage was done…

  • Elaine_Apthorp

    From what they’ve said and we’ve seen, it doesn’t look like it’s a question of not caring. Duobront went out and pitched hard with a dead arm last fall, long after it was assumed he would shut it down for the year after the DL stint, especially given what a jump in innings he had made already for the year. Clearly he’s a fighter who wants the ball and is eager to work when the bell rings. The challenge for him is to be self-disciplined when he’s months away from that bell. Unfortunately, one can be a fiercely competitive athlete and yet lack the discipline to sustain optimal physical conditioning when not in competition, and this mystifies and annoys the heck out of the rest of us. A whole lot of high-achieving pros have carried a lot more weight than was optimal; and we have sighed and thought, “imagine how much MORE this guy/gal could do if in better condition!” But for every great achiever who could’ve done more if healthier in conditioning habits, there’s way more whose lack of conditioning meant they never achieved much at all. Hope Felix grows up in this respect, and soon. He has terrific potential.

  • Crixus

    With Lester’s poor attitude, Doubront’s poor conditioning, and Buchholz getting injured, I don’t think this organization has learned anything. Once again, poor conditioning is a factor and Lester’s poor attitude will lead to the demise of this team. I think Lester is a prime candidate for a trade.

  • Xander Bogaerts

    Perhaps the nutcase Aceves is in shape and can be in the rotation. These guys never seize to amaze me. Yet Cherington doesn’t call him out personally  after he showed up out of shape in 2 of the past 3 yrs.

  • Pedro

    Its amazing that being in shape is a problem with this guy. From what i have seen from him he could be a solid starter for years to come. It seems to me that staying in shape to earn millions of dollars is the least of the things you have to do to be successful. Beginning to think this teams history of more injuries then most teams could be because of conditioning, and could be the corrected with some discipline and comitment. But over the last couple of years this team had no spine or commitment. Last place again

  • Weight watchers

    Pillsbury dough boy. Lester could lose a few. Give the pounds to Buchholz.

  • Mtsquad

    So sad, how I wish I had half of his opportunities and talent. Well we seen this story before, someone who doesn’t appreciate what they have until it’s gone

  • Matty

    lester in a contract year with a team option in 2014, and ortiz’s heel still not healed fully, but at least the tool beckett is gone.

  • Miss Manners

    Come on, really ?  Did you go to skool ?  Seize is what an engine does when you don’t change the oil.  Cease is when something stops.  Used in a sentence; The stupidity in today’s young people never ceases to amaze me and I wonder if the seizing of the United States economic engine can be stopped by these morons.

  • Peter Griffin

     Pull your lip over your head and swallow! Good day

  • Bruinman86

     My question is:  If these guys didn’t make big bucks (all athletes) how different would it be? Would it just bring out the driven, self motivated types? No big money contracts to fall on. Makes you wonder.

  • Boston_Sports

    Yup…….club house culture of beer and fried chicken continues on to this year. Out of shape players making MLB salaries. John F will have his work cut out for him this year.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WW4SUGV5J6Y7R5MVPAWVIWAJFU Dennis

    Dubront is the only one that they questione his commitment.Don’t you think its a little unfair to paint everyone that way? We signed seven guys whose commitment has never been in question.It sounds like you just don’t like the Red Sox at all.I would expect that from Yankee fans.Do you root for another team?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WW4SUGV5J6Y7R5MVPAWVIWAJFU Dennis

    I agree with you on the big contracts.I remember when they played for one year contracts.I also remember when they could deduct up to 20% if they did’nt perform up to a certain level.I also remember Ted Williams refusing a raise because he did’nt perform up to the same level as the year before.The longer the contract the less hungry.

  • Schwettballs

    The solution is simple. Make the players pass a conditioning test like the Pts do. If they don’t pass make them run and lift for a week or two before they are allowed to step on the field.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WW4SUGV5J6Y7R5MVPAWVIWAJFU Dennis

    C’mon lets be honest.If i was capable of hitting 40 home runs i would be doing the same thing and i would be hiring Boras as my agent,even though i can’t stand the greedy slug.lol.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WW4SUGV5J6Y7R5MVPAWVIWAJFU Dennis

    I don’t mind Lester and Ortiz has been great.But i fear the Sox threw away 26 million on the big man.Trust me i hope i have to eat crow.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WW4SUGV5J6Y7R5MVPAWVIWAJFU Dennis

    They probably already told Dubront in uncertain terms.Farrel to his credit isn’t going to stand for it,they say he’s a no nonsense type.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WW4SUGV5J6Y7R5MVPAWVIWAJFU Dennis

    I don’t see Lesters poor attitude at all.He’s exactly the same guy that had the best winning % in the game.Red Sox fans have a knack for kicking players to the curb when the chips are down.

  • bguy

    I LUV it Miss Manners. > Skool
    Happy Valentine’s Day.

  • Pedro

    The big difference between the  Yankee organization and the Red sox organization is this, the Yankees expect to contend for a championship every year anything less it is an unsuccessful season. As long as the Sox keep the sellout streak going that’s all they care about. The Sox have a last place team and the fans seem OK with that, if they cared about that they wouldn’t go to the park. That’s the only way you hurt this ownership in the wallet. But when you have the dumbest fans in baseball who will go watch a last place team, why would management spend more to get better? That only cuts into there profits. When they dumped Gonzon , Beckett, and Crawford everybody thought they would improve, they signed Dumpster, Victorino, Gomes, Napoli, all of them Bums. This team will flame out

  • Matty

    i really wanna believe things are fine with them. but i think ortiz was signed for the tv shows on nesn. not his bat.

  • Bruinman86

    Back when Sach Sanders would go into Red’s office and sign a blank contract and tell Red to put down what he thought was fair. Different times.

  • Theghostoftito

    He’s still weighs less than Fab’s boyfriend..

  • http://www.facebook.com/pete.lincoln.338 Pete Lincoln

    Never fear, Toradol is here, or has the team addressed that too.
     

  • Anonymous

    Can we put a training assistant in his winter camp?  C’mon, the Sox are supposed to be smartly and scientifically managed.

  • YazLynnEvans

     I don’t know, lester looks pretty much in shape to me.

  • YazLynnEvans

    Holy cow the sky is falling!!!!  Don’t worry it will be fine.

  • Doug from Woburn

    Enough already, he shows up again out of shape. Send him Portland…..yes Portland. Until he can prove his worth and that he had matured let him languish in the minors and his career can just flounder….what a waste of talent.

  • spitfire1064

    They just announced you were a hosehead.

  • Anonymous

    You must have gone to Rutgers to get personal or you are a internet namecaller.

  • Cro-mags

    No doubt Rutgers has some produced some quality NFL players (R.Rice, McCourtey), but I don’t see how you can justify going this deep on a mediocre team from a really mediocre and desolate Big East. I hope I’m proved wrong, but this seems like the BB arrogance thinking he can coach up scrubs.

  • lobsterfarmer

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Anonymous

    I’d agree with you if they dropped 3 year, $24 million contracts on these guys. They didn’t. They’re are probably making the league minimum and are happy to do so. If they don’t work out, no harm done. It’s low risk.

  • http://twitter.com/Matt_kern64 Mathew Kern

    Mark Harrison and David Ruffer and the two players that will push the Pats over the top and into another Super Bowl

  • tfxr

    I know your are kidding.

  • Rudy

    And this is the College with the Dirt bag Basketball coach and a fired athletic director. Sounds like a good place to me !! ?? NOT….This has got to be a bad joke. McCourty is a borderline bust !

  • psycho1039

    you could put a pro bowl team together every year with players from BC…yet BC is awful every year

  • psycho1039

    people still say “NOT”? you tool

  • DJKuulA

    You’re allowed to say “NOT” if you went to an Anthrax concert in the ’80s.

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